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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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Dothetwist · 20/08/2015 09:50

If anyone has any suspicions they should report immediately to mumsnet.

Let us not get a useful thread to go poof

LoopyLily · 20/08/2015 09:52

Already done, Dothetwist

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:52

Became I do new or not I care about what's happerning and not letting mums net go down without a fight
I can see how much mums net means to everyone that's why I care

wannaBe · 20/08/2015 09:53

XxCharlxX I see you're new to mumsnet. and here whipping up a frenzy.... Hmm

It's always worth remembering that new members who are claiming to have been hacked/talking up how the hackers have accessed their email/itunes/ are likely dadsec and his ilk here to spread panic among users and the thought that they are still here and that nobody is safe. Hmm

Also, go daddy is a well-known internet security provider, so there is nothing to panic about there.

It's simple. While we cannot be certain that fishing attempts may have ceased, if your itunes/email/social media/bank account don't have the same passwords as your mn account the hackers will not be able to hack into them because they have obtained your mumsnet details.

If anything is going to shut mn down it will be users taking too much notice of those trying to spread panic. Don't feed the trolls.....

SuffolkNWhat · 20/08/2015 09:53

Can anyone translate? I haven't had enough coffee to try to understand that

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:54

XxcharlxX you seem to have become very drunk in a short space of time.

SuffolkNWhat · 20/08/2015 09:54

Sorry that was about Charl not Wanna's post

StephanieBeacham · 20/08/2015 09:55

Very noble of you Charl but seriously wondering HOW you managed to string together the required 10 character password.

iamaboveandBeyond · 20/08/2015 09:55

i wull knot leyt mams net go dawn wivout a fight eeva, hun
gud on u
xxxxx

scatterthenuns · 20/08/2015 09:55

I'm one of the 3000 that had their details published. I'm probably breaking all the rules, but if anyone has the link, will they send it to me? I'd like to see for myself what has happened to my information.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:55

Sorry to everyone looking at post I was only commenting on posts posted above didn't mean to cause hard sorry when to every one and I mean that I really am

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:56

MNHQ Please can we have hackergate thread 4 before we all become homeless?

SuffolkNWhat · 20/08/2015 09:56

Are you posting through google translate?

GooodMythicalMorning · 20/08/2015 09:56

Yes Go Daddy is definitely legit.

BrendaandEddie · 20/08/2015 09:57

her posts jump from lucid to.. er creative

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:57

beyond Grin

wannaBe · 20/08/2015 09:58

XxCharlxX sorry but if you want to stay here you'll really need to learn to spell. and punctuate. or the pedants will have you for breakfast. Wink

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:58

Thanks charmed

hashtagwhatever · 20/08/2015 09:58

Pm'd you scatter

StephanieBeacham · 20/08/2015 09:59

Suffolk Grin

Sorry Charl you clearly mean well. No offence.

BrendaandEddie · 20/08/2015 10:01

i didnt realise ( acc to papers) the report that Justine had been MURDERED fgs

horrendous

TeamFinn · 20/08/2015 10:02

scatterthenuns I found the list by googling "DadSec Twitter" last night. My details were there so I've now de-reged and re-reged with a new email address. Luckily that was only my password for MN.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 10:02

I'm dialectic and have leaning difficultys so sorry if I can't spell or use other thinks but I find it very hard

acatcalledjohn · 20/08/2015 10:02

My theory is that Charl is Jeffery.

Hmm
BrendaandEddie · 20/08/2015 10:03

oh very good

leaning
dialectic