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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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RebeccaMumsnet · 20/08/2015 10:03

@Arkkorox

MNHQ Please can we have hackergate thread 4 before we all become homeless?

Starting one now!

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 10:03

Who is Jeffrey?

howtorebuild · 20/08/2015 10:04

Ok, the phone wasn't with carphone warehouse and is now ok after speaking to their provider. They still can't access their mn account.

acatcalledjohn · 20/08/2015 10:04

Dialectic

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 10:05

Thanks lol spell check can't even spell for me lol

wannaBe · 20/08/2015 10:05

leaning difficulties? well it might be a good idea to change your leaning to elsewhere....

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 10:06

Can't spell learning, can spell Jeffrey..

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 10:06

Fine I'll leave mums net if that's what you won't so rude to discriminate people who have disabilitys

wannaBe · 20/08/2015 10:07

perhaps we could just create our own hide poster function and ignore --the troll- anyone we think is suspicious.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 10:08

I'm a normal average working mother who is being put down because of my disabilitys thank

SuffolkNWhat · 20/08/2015 10:08

Off you pop then sweetie

LoveandMonsters · 20/08/2015 10:08

Well this has gone surreal. Perhaps I've not woken up properly, and this is a dream.

SuffolkNWhat · 20/08/2015 10:09

In motherhood there is no normal

ChwatFeechers · 20/08/2015 10:09

Obvious troll is obvious.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 10:09

And I'm not a troll im a normal person and would like to be treated like one

Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read
iamaboveandBeyond · 20/08/2015 10:09

Shock I cant be disabilist, i have a disabled friend

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 10:10

XxcharlxX

If you are a genuine poster then sorry, but you can't blame us for being suspicious. There are fake hacker accounts commenting on this very thread. Everyone is on high alert. No one here discriminates against disabilities

or dialectics

wannaBe · 20/08/2015 10:10

yes, what is this normal of which you speak? clearly you're still very young and might need to go and seek some dadsecurity.... Wink

StephanieBeacham · 20/08/2015 10:11

Charl

No one wishes to discriminate against a person with disabilities. Honestly, none of us do and some of us have our own issues as well.

The problem is people are naturally suspicious today and you are not coming across as someone whose posts match their situation.

No one who wasn't a member of mumsnet before what - today? yesterday? - would be invested enough in the site to post stuff about 'long live mumsnet'.

We have been warned about trolls posting on these threads.

People are just being cautious.

If you are genuine then I apologise on probably everyone's behalf.

If you're not, then you know what you can do with yourself.

acatcalledjohn · 20/08/2015 10:11

I think NetHuns would be more your scene, XxCharlxX.

NetHuns? Damn you autocorrect!

ChwatFeechers · 20/08/2015 10:12

I'm on my kindle, can anyone do an image reverse? Can't do it on here.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 10:12

Why are you starting on me?I just won't to chat to others make friends ov lots of bully's on hear who discriminate people for who they are any apoligys? No?? I didn't think so

CoteDAzur · 20/08/2015 10:12

LOL @ Jeff's idea of how mums write Grin

howtorebuild · 20/08/2015 10:13

Charl, try another thread.

JeffreySadsacIsUnwell · 20/08/2015 10:13

Those of you using Safari and autofill on mobile devices - you can switch the autofill off. Go to settings, scroll down to Safari, and then the menu will come up. You can either clear all saved passwords, or slide the autofill toggle to off. That way you will have to manually enter all passwords.

If it's phishing, I believe (but am no expert) that hackers can capture the data package of an auto filled password. At least if you need to do it manually, you can check where you're entering info. I have mine set to off simply because it stops my DC 'accidentally' ordering new toys through one-click on Amazon!

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