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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 09:08

Go daddy is an established provider of web addresses etc. Google it!

98percentchocolate · 20/08/2015 09:08

What makes you think that xxcharlxx?

goblindoor · 20/08/2015 09:08

Arkkorox I mean in site terms- this is a prolonged and sustained attack, and it's worse now than ever. I think Mumsnet are losing the battle right now.

Dothetwist · 20/08/2015 09:09

I've reported giddy post to draw attention too

shopafrolic · 20/08/2015 09:09

Dadsec's website is apparently the only place where 'official' information will be displayed as they keep getting kicked off twitter poor things.......

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:10

We can't let them win we all have to be strong and stick together mums net for ever

iamaboveandBeyond · 20/08/2015 09:10

Phew, i'm in! It has taken me two fucking hours. Without mn!! I nearly hit the gin, at this time of the morning!!!

Gin Gin Gin for hq. Its okay, it counts as the evening when you've been up all night - as dh used to explain to wetherspoons on his way home from a night shift Grin

I have a q. If you are def logged out and there is a redirect to a phishing page, can it log you in? I assume not, but have no idea tbh.

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:12

goblin sadly I agree, I just don't think they're going to stop till MN folds. If we knew their objectives then at least we would know what they aimed to do. At the moment they seem to just be playing around and causing mass issues

zombiemeow · 20/08/2015 09:12

Anyway, since around 9pm last night my phone has had no signal. I have just spoke to someone who had the same issue (a while back) and said that they called the provider who said their phone had been hacked Blush

StephanieBeacham · 20/08/2015 09:12

Goblin, how can you possibly state that?

YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 09:13

Please don't forget that some people posting on these threads may be associated with dadsec

LoveandMonsters · 20/08/2015 09:13

This is copied from what shows under "connection" under the padlock symbol on the "my account" page - the padlock symbol was yellow and above this it said connection to www.mumsnet .com was private... What the f?

"The identity of this website has been verified by Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2. No Certificate Transparency information was supplied by the server."

I think that's ok. I'm no expert, but dh supervised me changing my pw last night, checked it and it said all ^.

I think the Daddy thing is unfortunate coincidence!

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:14

I don't agree with shutting the site down and letting it all blow over. There are still people using this site as a life line and plus that would basicly be rolling over and submitting and quite frankly that's not what mners do!

StephanieBeacham · 20/08/2015 09:14

Look. None of us knows what's happening behind the scenes, but the fact is we're posting, the site is up (mostly) and everyone's still alive.

Plus with 7 million members do you really think this stupid little bastard is going to shut it down?

All that would happen is that it would come back very quickly with better security.

He's not going to achieve anything except possibly a hard on.

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:15

Someone's trying to get into my iTunes again.

howtorebuild · 20/08/2015 09:16

I got lots of Hmm apart from Mary's when I explained they were hacking a phone.

LoveandMonsters · 20/08/2015 09:16

Nicely put, StephanieBeacham, I totally agree.

Keep going, MNHQ, we're right with you Thanks

goblindoor · 20/08/2015 09:16

stephanie because of the ongoing outages and constant attack. THe situation is not improving- I think Mumsnet are stuck atm.
It's not the end of the site, but they do have massive problems on their hands.
My OH is an internet security analyst. THese attacks will be hosted now by unwitting multiple 3rd party systems and coming from abroad.

zombiemeow · 20/08/2015 09:17

Am going to call the provider when ds wakes from his nap and see what they say Hmm

LoveandMonsters · 20/08/2015 09:19

Akkorox, were you on the list?

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:22

No I wasn't. But thats not to say they don't have our data!

Could be totally unrelated, happened a few years ago with my old iPhone. Just coincidence today I think.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:22

Admin if you need any help let us all know,
We will not let mums net gone down without a fight think we need to know we're these sick indavirals are doing this from and kick there arses
Mumnet forever let admin know we are all behind them and we won't let them win

YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 09:23

With 7m members, at any given time, some of us will be experiencing login attempts to our other accounts etc.

It may be linked but it's perfectly possible it isn't.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 09:25

It is yonic possible had a few reports all ready on hear
Keep yourself safe everyone

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 09:25

Exactly yonic ,sorry I wasn't trying to scaremonger.

Just thought I would mention it as they apparently hacked an mnetters iTunes and put 100 quid charge on it.