FWR split continued

[RebeccaMumsnet]

We have decided to start a new thread about this as the other thread was near capacity and taking a while to load.

Here is Justine's post from earlier on

We can give a Radical Feminism topic a go if that's what people want and see if it works. Obviously we need to be crystal clear that no one is obliged to post in one particular place and no one should feel excluded from any topic but we could test it out, and see if it helps resolve tensions. We'll do that in the next few days.

There are a couple of other things to think about as well.

First, those who come onto FWR to derail and inflame. We acknowledge that we have been too slow in the past to spot these posters for what they were. We're sorry about that and hope we're a lot quicker at dealing with them now. We're all for opinions but we do draw the line at posters whose only obvious intent is to goad.

And secondly, this idea that FWR can be an unwelcoming place to those who aren't following the 'party line'. Judging by posts on recent threads and by our inbox this is a view of a significant number of Mumsnetters and obviously that's not a healthy situation. Mumsnet is a place for discussion and for diverse opinion and it's the exchange of ideas and tolerance of differing opinions that makes it the board it is.

We do hope threads like this help to clear the air a bit and remind everyone that, whatever the differences of opinion, the FWR board will only ever be the stimulating, thought-provoking, enriching place we'd all like it to be if people feel that they can express themselves without being jumped on.

Please do continue to let us know your thoughts.

I now have no idea what is going on.

I don't know why this is bullshit (thanks Pan).

I don't know what you mean Hester, I thought it was dittany that wanted a different section, that's why I am asking hat specifically she wants. I don't knwo who is a follower(!)

My idea of all saying what they actually want, rather than just negative fighting, was supposed to help with a way forward.

We are never all going to get along, far from it, but we can make an effort if we are committed to making the section work and actually believe in feminism. More of an effort than we have been doing.

There needs to be a clean slate approach from now on. There is going to be something of a hangover in the short term from feelings in the past, but if we are

a) prepared to admit this can't carry on
b) accept that both rad-fem and nonrad-fems are both responsible
c) look primarily at our own behaviour first
d) admit where we have been wrong in the past
e) give the benefit of the doubt more than we have done
f) give up on the idea of "winning" all the time

then I think we've got a good starting point at least and that perhaps we might be able to rebuild a few bridges and get over what has happened.

But people need to loose the attitude that they are victims about this and they haven't contributed at some point. Because a hell of a lot of people have and they need to own up to it, privately if not publically, or its just going to continue.

The F4J thing has happened. But its over now and people need move on from that, in whatever way they can and to loose the paranoia.

I don't want anyone forced off the forum. Not one person. Dividing things is doing that.

Or am I wrong in thinking that all this originated form wanting a thing called patriarchy/misogyny

Okay, Dittany, you're coming across as petulant, Wickety, you came across as inflammatory in your OP.

You each have your supporters - well done. Now can we just find a solution that doesn't involve this backbiting and sniping. How about neither of you get to name a new section and it belongs to everyone.

I'm done here

Why can't everyone accept that there is a significant problem and take hmms advice about ownership. I for one know I have been in the wrong in the past. If we ALL make an effort to stop these ridiculous inferences to personal vendettas, it might be a starting point. Clean slate... New way of doing things to encourage feminism discussion on mn.

Hully, dittany wanted to change the FWR section, to Anti-feminism and Defenses of Misogyny.

Towards the end of that thread Wickety posted the other thread in the Site Section and linked to it.

So, this discussion, is effectively on its third thread and discussion has flowed from the thread started by dittany.

Can a parenting website really have a section called Misogyny?

Thanks hmmm, I'm not quite as mad as I feared then...

so dittany what is it, exactly, you want? (On this board)

It's not marginalising or stigmatising to have a specific topic where like minded people can discuss stuff.

Thanks hmm, I wasn't aware of the first thread.

C'mon people. I don't want to have to link to the guidelines.

Let's try and sort this out.

@PlentyOfPubeGardens

Just another vote for three sections -

cafe - general discussion including rolling newbie question threads

feminist support - not just for rape or dv survivors but for anyone looking for woman-centred support for a problem.

feminist theory - I think this would really help people not to take things so personally. Could it be merged with feminist books?

Thoughts on this please.

Can't the idea of other boards being created be seen as an expansion because of growing demand rather than any sort of exclusion or segregation?
No one needs to move anywhere, or be corralled. The paddling pool thread seems to be working well, so why not an improper feminist board, or the cafe?
So much energy and passion wasted over something that seems uncomplicated to me.

"Anyway I posted a list of threads in FWR that shows that the section is going great guns, whatever the stories are from people who say it's a terrible place, frightening everybody away."

It does appear to have a different flavour this week, is that a coincidence? It certainly hasn't been like that the last month.

Well, yes it can Huansagain, as the politics of parenting is pretty central to how we treat each other, and where authority and power lies, and where the 'hatred of women' has direct and practical implications re the primacy of women in child care has on us all. Put succinctly.

Regular users of the Mumsnet FWR topic, can I ask: do you think it is fine as it is, or do you think it all goes a bit bananas over there quite regularly?

If you do think it often ends in a bunfight, why do you think that is?

Is it, in your view, solely down to trolling and MRAs?

I am an ex-lurker on FWR, if you want to know what it is to me, btw.

I've just done a search on "anti-feminist" on mumsnet and found that it is ideas/films/articles/some behaviours and attitudes that are considered anti-feminist in feminist discussion, rather than people, unless they are threads about the FWR board, when all of a sudden it becomes about posters saying they are being accused of being anti-feminist in their own right.

Anyway, more feminism from more posters = greater engagement and more balance. Who can argue with that, right?