FWR split continued

[RebeccaMumsnet]

We have decided to start a new thread about this as the other thread was near capacity and taking a while to load.

Here is Justine's post from earlier on

We can give a Radical Feminism topic a go if that's what people want and see if it works. Obviously we need to be crystal clear that no one is obliged to post in one particular place and no one should feel excluded from any topic but we could test it out, and see if it helps resolve tensions. We'll do that in the next few days.

There are a couple of other things to think about as well.

First, those who come onto FWR to derail and inflame. We acknowledge that we have been too slow in the past to spot these posters for what they were. We're sorry about that and hope we're a lot quicker at dealing with them now. We're all for opinions but we do draw the line at posters whose only obvious intent is to goad.

And secondly, this idea that FWR can be an unwelcoming place to those who aren't following the 'party line'. Judging by posts on recent threads and by our inbox this is a view of a significant number of Mumsnetters and obviously that's not a healthy situation. Mumsnet is a place for discussion and for diverse opinion and it's the exchange of ideas and tolerance of differing opinions that makes it the board it is.

We do hope threads like this help to clear the air a bit and remind everyone that, whatever the differences of opinion, the FWR board will only ever be the stimulating, thought-provoking, enriching place we'd all like it to be if people feel that they can express themselves without being jumped on.

Please do continue to let us know your thoughts.

I have another idea.

Just get rid of it all together.

If someopne wants to start a thread about something they can just do so, be it "Women and DV NOT MEN this time" or "Women, Men and DV" etc and have a good old specific talk about it.

Or if you want a thread to talk about theory, start one.

Why not just have a topic called Discussion?

Not AIBU, or Chat, just Discussion, for anyone that wants to discuss anything. Would make it much harder for the trolls too.

I don't mean get rid of AIBU or Chat, jus tthat Discussion would be new and for discussion of topics.

'Save The World'

... I meant it as a slightly tongue in cheak title for serious discussions about big isooos.....as there is already "feed the world"

Not getting delusions of grandeur of anything!

thanks juggling, not mine, someone from tack room

I am broadly in agreement with the idea of an equality and human rights board however it would be entirely wrong to situate the sub category within the main Feminism board.

Feminism springs from a struggle for human rights not the other way around.
Feminism in the 60/70's came out of the struggle for human rights. Human rights is a bigger issue and the struggle for women's rights is situated within that.

@ScroobiousPip

'Save The World'

Don't we need to save the cheerleader first?!

Olivia, what is that suppose to mean? I don't understand?

isn't it from that thing, with all the super powers

It's from the series Heroes, Mini.

Hully, I'm confused, are suggesting that closing FWR is the solution?

I got to page 8 of this - I believe and have for a long time - they Dittany and others want the FWR section to be a hallowed feminist space, but there are plenty of forums just like that already Whig clearly aren't meeting a need

I have never seen as much bashing of other women as I have on FWR by those who call themselves feminists which is a shame.

I am the parent of a child survivor and not in a million, million years would I turn to FWR for support - as many people as it supports - it provides barriers for.

There seems to be a massive lack of understanding there.

Yes people do inadvertently promote rape myths. Mostly through ignorance, screaming MRA, rape apologist, misogynist, at them, doesn't educate them, it entrenches their views more.

I have had sone really interesting debates on these topics, challenging myths, without ever feeling the need to insult the people I am challenging and debating with.

They are extremely offensive, over used terms and in my considered opinion, this overuse is a contributing factor to why so many people feel threatened by FWR.

Oh and the other thing that drives me mad there is the passive aggressive, I didn't call YOU an MRA, rape apologist etc, I said your views were - so it's not an attack in you it's an attack on your views.

It's one and the same thing.

Olivia, you're a hiro!

Sorry. Probably not helpful and yes, it's from

As an aside having read more (backwards) where man have been the victims of SA/Rape - it can be difficult for then to seek support from other men/set up by other men - specifically because the perpetator will most likely have been male.

This is one of tue reasons male unreporting is estimated to be 10 times that of female - which we all know is huge.

Personally I think a victim is a victim and needs support - gender regardless. Telling then to find their own space and support each other shows a lack of understanding.

If post there if there was a hide poster option :).

For HQ to respond to everything people want - as fast as they want it - we'd have to pay to be members to they can have 10 times as many staff.

I would be happy with a human rights board.

I agree with whydoIalwaysgetitwrong about calling someone's view MRA/anti-fem/whatever is the same as calling the person that. I find labelling other people's views pointless, anti-discussion and, to be honest, quite arrogant.

To a degree pan, but on the over hand - calling someone an out an out racist - can also be offensive.

My mother holds some - ummm interesting views - yet she is an immigrant and the most kind and open minded - to everyone person.

She isn't racist - she just says inappropriate things on occasion - far better to gently educate without appearing to do so Than to say - that's racist - bang. Because the former approach is far more likely to get you somewhere.

It might be far better to engage than criticise (and a lot of respect is due to those that do) but no-one is obliged to do that. Are we really advocating that minority groups - BME, women, etc - are somehow obliged to engage, explain, and accommodate views that class them as less than human?

I have never seen that before, anywhere, ever.

Criticising views is not the same - MNHQ's own rules, repeated in this thread, is 'deal with the post, not the poster'.