FWR split continued

[RebeccaMumsnet]

We have decided to start a new thread about this as the other thread was near capacity and taking a while to load.

Here is Justine's post from earlier on

We can give a Radical Feminism topic a go if that's what people want and see if it works. Obviously we need to be crystal clear that no one is obliged to post in one particular place and no one should feel excluded from any topic but we could test it out, and see if it helps resolve tensions. We'll do that in the next few days.

There are a couple of other things to think about as well.

First, those who come onto FWR to derail and inflame. We acknowledge that we have been too slow in the past to spot these posters for what they were. We're sorry about that and hope we're a lot quicker at dealing with them now. We're all for opinions but we do draw the line at posters whose only obvious intent is to goad.

And secondly, this idea that FWR can be an unwelcoming place to those who aren't following the 'party line'. Judging by posts on recent threads and by our inbox this is a view of a significant number of Mumsnetters and obviously that's not a healthy situation. Mumsnet is a place for discussion and for diverse opinion and it's the exchange of ideas and tolerance of differing opinions that makes it the board it is.

We do hope threads like this help to clear the air a bit and remind everyone that, whatever the differences of opinion, the FWR board will only ever be the stimulating, thought-provoking, enriching place we'd all like it to be if people feel that they can express themselves without being jumped on.

Please do continue to let us know your thoughts.

(that was a joke, don't zap me Olivia)

Alameda, I don't think it's helpful to put words in other people's mouths.

I don't think creepy posts like 'calm down . . . defensive . . . Hostile etc' are helpful either

Anyone want to stop focussing on dittany and comment on the issues I raised on my long post ^^?

Or should I start my own thread about why I don't like the FWR board these days?

Is creepy helpful? No, not really.

Aye your post seems a long way up the page now, I thought it was great though - the sort for which I need a sycophantic emoticon

am not always in the MOOD to be helpful everywhere though

agree with entirety of what aye said and yes, why not rename the new area Equalism and see if those people really are genuinely interested in discussing that ( what is it?) instead of churning out anti feminist drivel all the time

Does an equality board mean certain people can't post in FWR still? Not really solving the issue imho. It suggests that certain ideas aren't feminist, and have no place for discussion in the feminist section. Same issue of separatism or 'pushing out'. There is merit in the section for its own worth, but not as a means to solve conflict in FWR.

instead of churning out anti feminist drivel all the time

And right back to square one in the whole discussion over respect for others opinions... brilliant.

We are really going nowhere with this are we?

As a lurker and occasional poster, and someone who has really enjoyed the paddling pool thread, I don't think radfem should be hived off.

I do like the idea of three sub-groups - cafe/theory/support. There would have to be clear understanding about how they each operate though. Just as an example, while the paddling pool thread has been great, it wasn't so good to see a man receiving flak there because of comments on other threads (although I do understand why some posters felt as they did).

I'd alsobauxite like to see a human rights board where other sorts of discrimination and rights, eg children's rights, could be discussed.

it would be interesting to see if, on a children's rights board for example, posters came along chuntering about the rights of other groups such as adults or great crested newts

I dunno, Hmm. I only posted it as a throwaway suggestion for all of those who find the FWR board unfriendly from the pov of considering structural inequality, many of whom have been posters on the many threads about the FWR board. It seems it might have some takers, though. As to the not being able to post on FWR, I would imagine it would be the exact situation of the dead Radical Feminism board (I know it's only new but I am calling it).

I wasn't fishing, btw. Just wanting to a) stop the sniping and b) get some awareness out there that there are others who don't post because of the flip side of the same coin. We're just not as vocal, which may surprise some.

Well if children want equality who is it they want to be equal to if not newts?

You all hate me because I'm a newt. You are newt-haters.

actually LOVE newts

love all animals and most people, hope this does get resolved in a way that meets as many poster's needs as possible

posters'

The entire point here which has been discussed in the liberal feminist thread currently running is the fact that a lot of people feel there is an overlap of interests and see them as running in parallel and to assist other causes alongside feminism.

It would be interesting to see if, on a children's rights board for example, posters came along countering about the rights of other groups such as adults or great crested newts

It's exactly this attitude which is unhelpful, IMO. This thread is in Site Stuff, not FWR, and is looking for ideas to resolve the current dispute. I posted support for the 3 FWR sub- groups, which was the main subject of my post. However some posters have been also calling for an equalist board - I think 'human rights' would be a better topic which could take away some of the distracting posts from FWR.

But feel free to shoot it down as 'chuntering'.