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I feel so angry reading 'Everyone's Invited' website about rape culture largely at private schools

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Bouledeneige · 26/03/2021 00:02

So I read the Dulwich College post and now the allegations about Highgate School on Newsnight. There are fulsome letters to both schools governors published online. They make for heartbreaking and stomach churning reading. I am so angry. I've just read the 'Everyone's invited' website and I can see how entrenched misogyny, rape culture, slut shaming, homophobia and racism are in the named school. - mostly private but a few selective.

And underling them all is a powerful suggestion that school leadership is all about 'boys will be boys', reputation management and 'there's two sides to every story'. So traumatised female students are forced into silence and reduced to walking the corridors with their abusers with lots of mockery and slutt shaming accompanying them. Its so disgusting - it is beyond anything that can be excused. Who on earth wants our sons to be recruited into this misogynistic and coercive rape culture or our daughters abused and living in fear of it?

I've stated my views on other threads. My kids went to a not so perfect state school in London. The big difference to these accounts is that they experienced a very 'woke' and 'right on' school culture that demonstrated a zero tolerance culture and empowerment of the female students. They were so empowered they actively and powerfully called out sexist, racist and homophobic behaviours and the perpetrators - boys - were called to account formally and informally. It was not a perfect school at all - there was drugs, sexual behaviour and bullying but the culture of the school was so zero tolerance it went beyond a few PHSE chats it was inculcated in the ethos of the whole school. the predominant culture was mature female and diverse voices,, backed by teachers and the leadership of the school articulating a mature and equitable world. To be fair I think the boys followed behind.

But I'm not focused on my DC's experiences. I'm absolutely choked that the Harvey Weinstein, rape assertive power dynamic is prospering in school environments. Its disgusting. I hope there is a root and branch review and parents start asking about the character that private and selective schools engender |not just the results. There's an old adage that a[rents of boys would prefer them to be civilised by being schooled alongside their female contemporaries but that girls do better in all female environments.

It is such a joke when we talk about equality in work environments when so many women have been exposed to these brutish rapey school environments. We will never change society if we don't change education. And we have to more actively prepare our young men for decent and egalitarian behaviour to women and our young women to be empowered to be empowered and seek retribution. But in the end it will be leadership in schools that have a primarily male culture that makes the biggest difference investigating and punishing out sexist and abusive behaviour and treating perpetrators in the same way as students accused of drugs offences. And secondly, peer pressure amongst young men at parties, on school buses and in classes that really calls out bad behaviour.- this is not who we are as men. It really, really matters. And parents can't leave it to someone else. They need to actively avoid school environments with toxic cultures and probe how they exert a zero tolerance egalitarian culture. Take action, remove your money and change the economy of private schooling.

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GovernorTeacherLawyer · 03/04/2021 12:16

@Curioushorse

Do you know what would be interesting? If OfSTED inspected private as well as state schools. Their standards are enormously higher than ISI- which is basically a gentleman’s club. I know that sounds contentious- but those of us who have taught in both environments will know the inspections are nowhere near comparable. And.....I don’t think a lot of private schools want them to be, because I don’t think they’d necessarily come out well.

This is a really good example of a situation we can’t compare. OfSTED haven’t policed the private sector in terms of safeguarding in the same way as the state, so there is no way of examining this situation properly.

@Curioushorse If you really think that the Ofsted inspection regime and criteria are (and have been for the last 9 years) "enormously higher than ISI" then I'm afraid I find it hard to believe that your experience in schools has had much to do with the insertion system. Having managed inspections in both the maintained and private sectors, I can tell you that I found both regimes equally robust, broad and deep, and both equally flawed.
manymanymany · 03/04/2021 12:29

Why are private school parents so defensive? There's no 'bashing' in the OP's balanced, reasonable post. Stop derailing the thread please. These schools' so-called charitable status is already a joke and it's fair enough to question their ethos.

GovernorTeacherLawyer · 03/04/2021 12:31

[quote Oohhhbetty]@PresentingPercy Yes we must move forward across society, accepting that there are problems in every institution in the land, and there have been some good threads with ideas and lots of parents discussing how they might parent differently

This thread however is about the OP and other people being angry in particular with private schools, particularly those that ignored complaints from alleged victims. Another two scandal schools in the Telegraph today. Why did these schools take no action? I know other schools in state sector no doubt did too, I understand that we don't hear about them in press, but my question to you is this - can you see that parents paying huge fees might expect more from these particular models of schools? Why did the schools who have been mentioned, who took money from parents in good faith, not do better? they sell themselves as better in every way, why not this way?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/exclusive-elite-schools-ignored-us-warned-rape-culture/[/quote]
@Oohhhbetty "Why did these schools take no action?" First, that assumes that the incidents were actually reported. Second, the probability that if they were reported NO action was taken is so low as to be beyond credible. Third, as we know from police and court reports, trying to establish accurately what happened in incidents of this kind is incredibly difficult even for well-trained professional interviewers. Fourth, (rightly or wrongly) schools will be at least as concerned not to punish and tarnish the innocent as they are to discover and punish the guilty. Fifth, you'll be hard pressed to find any private school that markets itself as "better in every way". Other than that, I think you make a good point about parental expectation; I happen to think they are wrong, however if they expect a better quality of protection and support for their kids just because they pay fees directly. The protection and support of our children is a basic right parents should expect and duty that schools should provide, irrespective of funding arrangements.

GovernorTeacherLawyer · 03/04/2021 12:35

@manymanymany

Why are private school parents so defensive? There's no 'bashing' in the OP's balanced, reasonable post. Stop derailing the thread please. These schools' so-called charitable status is already a joke and it's fair enough to question their ethos.
@manymanymany. Did you mean to quote me? Your comment seems irrelevant to what I, and the person to whom I was replying, said. 1. I'm not a private school parent; 2. what has "bashing" got to do with anything? 3. Discussions about whether our not a change to the inspection regime would lead to a diminution of such abusive acts in schools would seem to be very much on topic (and derailing the thread), unlike the ludicrous red herring of a school's charitable status!
tf23 · 03/04/2021 12:39

@manymanymany

Why are private school parents so defensive? There's no 'bashing' in the OP's balanced, reasonable post. Stop derailing the thread please. These schools' so-called charitable status is already a joke and it's fair enough to question their ethos.
Being honest, I'm defensive because of the title of the thread being "largely at private schools". It has since been said by the founder of EI that it wasn't the case.

I'm also defensive due to some of the fairly offensive generalisations made about private school pupils and their parents. I wouldn't generalise about state school pupils or parents in this way as I think it's inappropriate and clouds the real problem.

The most important issue here is the experience of those who've written accounts. They were shocking to read. It's not a private v state issue, it's an issue that we should all try to address, both as parents, but also with the schools themselves.

Poorlykitten · 03/04/2021 13:18

But this is a thread about the private school abuse cases. If you want to start one about state schools or a more general one, then go ahead.

PresentingPercy · 03/04/2021 13:57

@GovernorTeacherLawyer
Thanks for your response. I agree with what you say.

The trouble with the narrow view of public schools only is that it won’t produce a better society for girls. It’s fair enough to query the premise of the post. It’s very easy to get caught up in the journalism that just looks at fee paying schools but that’s letting down all girls.

crosstalk · 03/04/2021 16:04

I agree parents need to educate their sons. But what about their daughters?

What do you say to them? (asking for a friend). So much traditional advice from my era is deemed inappropriate because it was asking girls and women of all ages to behave in ways to protect themselves which wasn't asked of boys and men. Which led to Reclaim the Streets etc.

What I can't get my head around is that in an age when we seem to have made great strides for women at least in this country, that young girls still don't seem to be able to say no.

GovernorTeacherLawyer · 03/04/2021 17:17

A question.
Many posters here have children, most of whom those posters presumably believe to be relatively decently behaved young men and/or women.

Is it the parents or the schools who are to be credited with that decent behaviour?

If it is the schools, then presumably there is not some universal failure to turn out decent young people.
If it is the parents, why is the poor behaviour of some the fault primarily of schools and not parents?
Observation: perhaps this is an incredibly complicated multi-variant phenomenon that requires nuanced, careful and complex solutions, recognising that it doesn't have just one cause. (Although such an approach is not always conducive to the mode of interaction on social media 'talk boards' )

PresentingPercy · 03/04/2021 17:56

As far as paying for schools is concerned, when it comes to safeguarding you don’t expect more. Do we know all the schools they didn’t take allegations seriously? No. We don’t. We know the cherry picked private ones. As a firmer private school parent, I expect the law to be followed if a disclosure is made and the safeguarding policy followed. I rather suspect the truth is that few allegations were actually made at the time.

Yes. Most DC are perfectly ok and schools and parents have done a good job. We just keep hearing about a tiny minority in private schools and then an assertion that paying alters the safeguarding policy and the law. It doesn’t.

Oohhhbetty · 03/04/2021 18:01

I do find it interesting that ALL the broadsheets are focusing so heavily on the fee paying schools element of sexual harassment - I think that is the double news value of a)something so horrific happening b) the fact that these are the last places that society expects anything to happen. Telegraph, Times, Guardian, Financial Times, Economist, Independent, BBC have all featured this heavily which suggests it really ticks their news value boxes.
They have all covered the fact that girls have reported horrible sexual harassment in other schools and universities, with some of them naming the state schools and describing specific testimonies. But they are really going big on the fee paying schools because people expect so much from these famous businesses. I suppose a bit like a business like M&S attracts headlines - these are seen as a part of British heritage and lauded as being world beating, and where they have been shown to be no different to your average local School, that is the ultimate click bait.
Will this help girls at all schools in UK? I think strangely that it will. When those who hold positions of power and influence have been made so uncomfortable about the schools their children are at, then hopefully there will be a ripple effect and we will see the greater good for the greater number.

PresentingPercy · 03/04/2021 19:13

I’m not quite so sure about the ripple effect. It’s going to be rather easy for state schools to be complacent and think it’s not about them. I do hope not. I also think a lot of this behaviour goes on outside school and state schools need to be aware their DC might not be squeaky clean. However they must act according to their policies if any safeguarding issue is disclosed to them. I think the vast majority of schools will have appropriate policies in place. I have certainly seen very good detailed policies which are clear in how cases should be handled and where schools can get further advice.

I think parents will demand more from many schools and hopefully be more engaged with schools regarding inappropriate sexual behaviour. It’s likely many parents don’t have a clue what DCs are looking at. Schools should all now look at DC and parents having sessions on safeguarding in schools. Not just boys. All pupils. All parents. So staying safe and consequences are discussed and spelt out.

PresentingPercy · 03/04/2021 19:27

On a slightly different topic, the ISI inspection framework sees Safeguarding as regulatory. Ofsted go much further and want to see resolved and open cases with more detail. It seems clear to me that ISI are light touch in this area. Lots of their inspectors come from nice little private schools where they wouldn’t have expected to see safeguarding issues. I don’t believe they look very hard and it’s too easy for the private schools to not open cases. I know others will disagree but looking at the differing frameworks and NSPCC info shows quite a difference.

Oohhhbetty · 03/04/2021 19:29

Agree with most of what you say, but I do think that the fee paying schools’ status making sure this is covered more than it would be otherwise is going to have a good effect and much greater awareness - they have sacrificed their reputations short term for the greater good. I haven’t met a single person who thinks this doesn’t happen everywhere, no one is that silly. Everyone knows that these things happen in state schools and Uni’s and workplaces, I think however people were very surprised it happens also in fee paying schools due to heavy marketing they make themselves out to be perfect environments, so unless you have been to one yourself you might believe the gloss, but now there is no wool over anyone’s eyes.

Oohhhbetty · 03/04/2021 19:50

@PresentingPercy that is interesting isn’t it about ISI / ofstead. I suspect great changes coming in that area.

As a woman I want to find a way that we can help ALL young girls, rich or poor, at school uni or work.
I said to someone today that as parents we have been so worried about our children coming in to contact with dodgy people they don’t know on the internet. Turns out our girls have been more worried about the people they DO know, but we hadn’t given them the tools to call them out.

GovernorTeacherLawyer · 03/04/2021 20:07

www.isi.net/site/downloads/How%20ISI%20Inspects%20Safeguarding.pdf
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/828763/Inspecting_safeguarding_in_early_years__education_and_skills.pdf

Once one is familiar not just with these two schedules, but also the associated and underlying legislative, statutory and advisory documentation, it's hard to evidence the claim that there is any substantive difference in the approach that the two regimes take.

PresentingPercy · 03/04/2021 23:49

I find the a Ofsted one has far more detail about what abuse looks like. I cannot believe ISI say a school must publish it’s safeguarding policy in its web site IF THEY HAVE ONE!!! Really? In 2021?

nohelp · 04/04/2021 05:05

Why is no one questioning the parents? Why are so many of the accounts of girl at 14 drinking at parties. That’s not the schools fault. Where are the parents?

nohelp · 04/04/2021 07:45

The British Press is a joke. They always find an angle that divides and stokes up jealousy or division. They don’t care about the consequences and are never held to account for the trouble they cause. One minute stirring up hatred and jealousy for Private Schools. Next couple of weeks pointing out that it’s gone all to far and now boys are being set upon. Yet we all fall for it over and over again.
As a mother of both girls and boys. I actually feel sorry for the innocent young men who have to wear those uniforms. Not all men are evil and not everyone tells the truth. This is a complex situation that doesn’t need lazy journalism.

CJFJ1 · 04/04/2021 08:51

@nohelp

The British Press is a joke. They always find an angle that divides and stokes up jealousy or division. They don’t care about the consequences and are never held to account for the trouble they cause. One minute stirring up hatred and jealousy for Private Schools. Next couple of weeks pointing out that it’s gone all to far and now boys are being set upon. Yet we all fall for it over and over again. As a mother of both girls and boys. I actually feel sorry for the innocent young men who have to wear those uniforms. Not all men are evil and not everyone tells the truth. This is a complex situation that doesn’t need lazy journalism.
nohelp

I whole-heartedly agree with you.

CJFJ1 · 04/04/2021 08:55

All of this press attention against independent schools is also leading to huge stereotyping - e.g. independent school kids must come from wealthy backgrounds; i.e. they must be posh "toffs".

Er, no, actually: there are quite a few families out there from modest backgrounds who scrimp and save to get their kids into independent schools and / or rely on independent school scholarships and bursaries.

Poorlykitten · 04/04/2021 09:01

I don’t know anyone with modest income that can afford a private school, I guess it wholly depends on what your definition of modest is..

Abitofaproblem · 04/04/2021 09:13

While the press might be biased in many ways, for a few famous schools there were complaints against them in form of open letters/dossiers organised by ex students and girls from neighbouring schools, protest at school gates and accusations that the schools were not handling these incidences properly. These things need to be reported.

I do feel sorry for all the stress that the news have brought to families with boys and girls in these schools, but ignoring the problem wouldn't be to their benefit either.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 04/04/2021 09:15

@CJFJ1 but I expect it not necessarily those modest families whose DC are running with the 'fast pack' who are possibly the ones more likely to be at such parties?

starray · 04/04/2021 23:42

@CJFJ1

All of this press attention against independent schools is also leading to huge stereotyping - e.g. independent school kids must come from wealthy backgrounds; i.e. they must be posh "toffs".

Er, no, actually: there are quite a few families out there from modest backgrounds who scrimp and save to get their kids into independent schools and / or rely on independent school scholarships and bursaries.

Precisely.