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I feel so angry reading 'Everyone's Invited' website about rape culture largely at private schools

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Bouledeneige · 26/03/2021 00:02

So I read the Dulwich College post and now the allegations about Highgate School on Newsnight. There are fulsome letters to both schools governors published online. They make for heartbreaking and stomach churning reading. I am so angry. I've just read the 'Everyone's invited' website and I can see how entrenched misogyny, rape culture, slut shaming, homophobia and racism are in the named school. - mostly private but a few selective.

And underling them all is a powerful suggestion that school leadership is all about 'boys will be boys', reputation management and 'there's two sides to every story'. So traumatised female students are forced into silence and reduced to walking the corridors with their abusers with lots of mockery and slutt shaming accompanying them. Its so disgusting - it is beyond anything that can be excused. Who on earth wants our sons to be recruited into this misogynistic and coercive rape culture or our daughters abused and living in fear of it?

I've stated my views on other threads. My kids went to a not so perfect state school in London. The big difference to these accounts is that they experienced a very 'woke' and 'right on' school culture that demonstrated a zero tolerance culture and empowerment of the female students. They were so empowered they actively and powerfully called out sexist, racist and homophobic behaviours and the perpetrators - boys - were called to account formally and informally. It was not a perfect school at all - there was drugs, sexual behaviour and bullying but the culture of the school was so zero tolerance it went beyond a few PHSE chats it was inculcated in the ethos of the whole school. the predominant culture was mature female and diverse voices,, backed by teachers and the leadership of the school articulating a mature and equitable world. To be fair I think the boys followed behind.

But I'm not focused on my DC's experiences. I'm absolutely choked that the Harvey Weinstein, rape assertive power dynamic is prospering in school environments. Its disgusting. I hope there is a root and branch review and parents start asking about the character that private and selective schools engender |not just the results. There's an old adage that a[rents of boys would prefer them to be civilised by being schooled alongside their female contemporaries but that girls do better in all female environments.

It is such a joke when we talk about equality in work environments when so many women have been exposed to these brutish rapey school environments. We will never change society if we don't change education. And we have to more actively prepare our young men for decent and egalitarian behaviour to women and our young women to be empowered to be empowered and seek retribution. But in the end it will be leadership in schools that have a primarily male culture that makes the biggest difference investigating and punishing out sexist and abusive behaviour and treating perpetrators in the same way as students accused of drugs offences. And secondly, peer pressure amongst young men at parties, on school buses and in classes that really calls out bad behaviour.- this is not who we are as men. It really, really matters. And parents can't leave it to someone else. They need to actively avoid school environments with toxic cultures and probe how they exert a zero tolerance egalitarian culture. Take action, remove your money and change the economy of private schooling.

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PresentingPercy · 30/03/2021 09:25

I’ve noticed the Daily Telegraph today is naming more private schools but not any state schools. It acknowledges state schools have increased significantly on the reporting site but none are named. Therefore even the Torygraph is carrying on with a witch hunt. All schools are in this together. So maybe they should all be named?

tangerinelollipop · 30/03/2021 09:43

I don't know why anyone thinks segregation is a good idea

I have experienced an all-girls (religious) school and I haven't had to put up with any of these atrocities. That's why some think they are a very good idea

AuntieStella · 30/03/2021 09:51

All schools are in this together. So maybe they should all be named?

If you look on the Everyine's Invited website, they are.

I recommend scrolling though more than just the first page though.

The site was started amongst a community of private school pupils, and the early responses reflect that. And you can tell which MSM haven't gone beyond that page!

As the site's founder says, accounts continue to arrive and now that the site is better known it's clear that it's an all schools issue, irrespective of sector. And in universities too.

ListeningQuietly · 30/03/2021 09:53

Single sex schools are not the solution.
Nor is banning any type of school.

PROPER safeguarding
PROPER police focus on convicting sex offenders
PROPER focus on educating boys that rape and sexual violence are crimes

Lollipop888 · 30/03/2021 10:04

@tangerinelollipop

I don't know why anyone thinks segregation is a good idea

I have experienced an all-girls (religious) school and I haven't had to put up with any of these atrocities. That's why some think they are a very good idea

You could just be delaying the problem until college or university by segregation.

The main focus should be education by parents and schools that this behaviour will not be tolerated and should not happen, and by that I mean even the “lower lever”, “banter” type behaviour. And that should be for both boys and girls.

Hopefully this will bring about a more respectful culture. But also, what they see happening in their homes and online, on tv etc needs to reinforce this.

Prevention should be the aim as to prosecute you need evidence which is why even the more serious end of the spectrum eg rapes/sexual assaults have such a low conviction rate....

tangerinelollipop · 30/03/2021 10:18

You could just be delaying the problem until college or university by segregation

True, and I agree with your post. But when I went to university I was much older and was much better prepared to handle these issues.

LeaveMyDamnJam · 30/03/2021 10:19

If this issue is across the private and state sectors of education, then the issue can’t be seen as one of wealth entitlement (though that will be a factor in a fair few cases). It is a far deeper issue with covert and overt misogyny in society.

Women are seen as lesser, sex objects, weak. Although I don’t have any data, the availability for young men to access porn, must have some bearing on this. The sexualisation of women in the music industry must be another factor. I was watching retrospectives of TOTP on the BBC recently that were focusing on the 1980’s and the female artists present very differently to now.

Some responsibility has to be born by parents too. We have a duty to ensure that our sons are decent people who value all people, not just males.

Shenadoah · 30/03/2021 12:58

DD attends a v average secondary. In response to what is currently happening, she told me that any boy that shows a sense of entitlement to her or her friends' bodies is quickly put in his place. In essence, the boys can be stupid sometimes, but the girls feel perfectly capable of slapping them down. There is absolutely not a culture of female objectification in her school. Her experiences of being objectified by men have all been on the bus, tube or while out and about. The intake of the school is on the mid/lower end of the socio-economic spectrum.

Oohhhbetty · 30/03/2021 13:23

My DD's go to a mixed school so that I can have conversations with them whilst they are under my roof about the things that they are going to come across in real life. I want the school they attend to reflect the society they are entering which is why we picked a mixed comp over other schools. That way everything that comes their way is a subject for discussion at the table we sit and eat around together every day as a family. You can't control teens, you CAN converse with them. It feels tireless, but it does help. The LAST thing I want is for them to go off to University and deal with these sort of things for the first time without the safe space of home and parents to help process things.

Oohhhbetty · 30/03/2021 13:26

@PresentingPercy I would imagine the Torygraph has some journalists with memories of their own experiences at elite schools. Journalists are people themselves after all, and if they got burnt at school themselves, and they can see a revolution of transparency happening, they are going to make sure they are in on the action. Note the silence from the Guardian. What is going on there? Perhaps no battle scarred journalists (potentially privately educated themselves but not the elite strata?)

CloudPop · 30/03/2021 13:41

@Oohhhbetty

My DD's go to a mixed school so that I can have conversations with them whilst they are under my roof about the things that they are going to come across in real life. I want the school they attend to reflect the society they are entering which is why we picked a mixed comp over other schools. That way everything that comes their way is a subject for discussion at the table we sit and eat around together every day as a family. You can't control teens, you CAN converse with them. It feels tireless, but it does help. The LAST thing I want is for them to go off to University and deal with these sort of things for the first time without the safe space of home and parents to help process things.
Your final point is really valid and something I'm very concerned about myself.
justasking111 · 30/03/2021 14:20

Our grandson at state school primary believe me the governor's often have no idea what's going on. Unless you bypass the school and write to the governor's you are stuffed. Luckily for grandkids we have a friend in the governor's at their school so pass on news, the head would avoid doing

Globetrotter76 · 30/03/2021 15:57

I agree with @ListeningQuietly

The major concern here is that the schools did nothing - and at Highgate school (allegedly) tried to cover it up! Outrageous ! Who is holding these selective schools to account ?? Is the fear of calling out this behavior that children will be asked to leave.....

Many families are now questioning their secondary choices - at a time where covid has caused so much anxiety over this decision already.....

Stokey · 30/03/2021 17:39

I think what is driving the story in the Torygraph and Times is partially their readers' demographic. More likely to be privately educated & sending their children to private schools than a Guardian reader so more likely to be interested in what is going on in the big name private schools.

A lot of the comments under the articles (in the Times anyway) are frightening in their denial that there is a problem. Apparently it's just another "woke" issue which teenage girls are exaggerating, a Salem witch hunt on boys Hmm.

Poorlykitten · 30/03/2021 18:23

Just read an article about racism rife in private schools too. Seems they are getting a pasting..who is holding these schools to account???

Oohhhbetty · 30/03/2021 19:02

@Poorlykitten the broadsheet press are holding them to account. That much maligned checking institution that often is the only thing that will hold people, institution or the state to account.

PresentingPercy · 30/03/2021 21:11

I think that there is little understanding of single sex schools. Surely if these accounts have told us anything, it’s that the sexes very much do meet before university. Real life fan very much present itself.

Yolande7 · 30/03/2021 22:54

This.

What is the use of tons of girls coming forward if nothing happens then? Many rape cases don't even make it to court and in those which do, the men usually walk free.

Poorlykitten · 31/03/2021 07:41

Segregation is not the answer, education of our young men is the answer and being held to account for your actions, stricter laws and accountability and none of this brushing shit under the carpet. If girls are being segregated in all girls schools to ‘protect’ them, that’s not dealing with the issue at all! That’s tantamount to saying women should not walk the streets after dark, let’s just keep them all at home to prevent it happening . We can’t just shove them all in an all girls school and hope they’ll avoid getting abused but not tackle any of the issues at all. And what about all boys schools? These can be worse, and breeding grounds for misogyny and misunderstanding. Family members that went to very expensive ‘all boys’ private schools that I know found women totally incomprehensible and impossible to connect with later in life.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 31/03/2021 08:31

I was going to say that I think single sex schools serve only to mystify the opposite sex. DS's grammar school started taking girls in the sixth form the year he entered it. It was a huge culture shock for the boys and some of them were taken to task for their frankly sexist attitudes towards the smallish group of girls.

Notoriouslynotnotious · 31/03/2021 09:09

I’d say about 70% ish of teens are educated in sex segregated schools in Ireland, maybe more. I appreciate that there is a religious leaning to schools in Ireland that isn’t the same as the UK but actually the level of engaged Christians in Ireland is at an all time low so it is relatively liberal for a religious education.

Single sex education definitely does not cut these issues of sexual abuse out. It does give girls respite from it during the school day which is a positive but the way the schools are run means that there is a very strict gender role enforcement with subjects for girls and subjects for boys which brings its own challenges. That will always be the same because girls just do not pick up for example woodwork, technology, graphics etc in the same numbers as boys so there isn’t the threshold to hold these classes and that affects girls mentality when choosing universities/college after school. Then there is the issue of boys and girls not being socialised together and them having this very “Jungian” archetypal view of what the other sex is but very little real world understanding of each other.

Single sex education brings a very different set of issues IMHO.

tangerinelollipop · 31/03/2021 09:18

there is a very strict gender role enforcement with subjects for girls

I was just replying to a PP saying 'why would anyone think single-sex education can be a good idea'

It may not work for everyone and definitely not a panacea, but for some, it can be a valuable alternative.

It may be an exception, but at my school (all girls and Catholic) most girls went out to study at university and currently have successful careers (think lawyers, doctors, geneticists, researchers) - and before anyone starts, it was not an elitist/moneyed or 'privileged' environment.

So it's not helpful to generalise and demonise single-sex education. It's just an alternative.

tangerinelollipop · 31/03/2021 09:27

And I never had to experience bullying, let alone rape culture.

Oohhhbetty · 31/03/2021 09:41

Sounds like some ministers might be accountable - Ofstead had already asked to go in to private schools and the request was ignored. Ministers culpable for the children's damage?

Guardian today
www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/30/ofsted-chief-asked-for-greater-powers-to-monitor-private-schools

Stripyhoglets1 · 31/03/2021 09:58

I noticed that the headmaster of Dulwich college reported things to police and one of the things he was quoted as saying was so "those involved have chance to clear their name" so I don't know if he said more and this quote was focused on by the Guardian and if he also said he reported so police could investigate and bring people to justice if appropriate as well. But it reads like even the head treats it like false allegations which is part of the problem.

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