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I feel so angry reading 'Everyone's Invited' website about rape culture largely at private schools

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Bouledeneige · 26/03/2021 00:02

So I read the Dulwich College post and now the allegations about Highgate School on Newsnight. There are fulsome letters to both schools governors published online. They make for heartbreaking and stomach churning reading. I am so angry. I've just read the 'Everyone's invited' website and I can see how entrenched misogyny, rape culture, slut shaming, homophobia and racism are in the named school. - mostly private but a few selective.

And underling them all is a powerful suggestion that school leadership is all about 'boys will be boys', reputation management and 'there's two sides to every story'. So traumatised female students are forced into silence and reduced to walking the corridors with their abusers with lots of mockery and slutt shaming accompanying them. Its so disgusting - it is beyond anything that can be excused. Who on earth wants our sons to be recruited into this misogynistic and coercive rape culture or our daughters abused and living in fear of it?

I've stated my views on other threads. My kids went to a not so perfect state school in London. The big difference to these accounts is that they experienced a very 'woke' and 'right on' school culture that demonstrated a zero tolerance culture and empowerment of the female students. They were so empowered they actively and powerfully called out sexist, racist and homophobic behaviours and the perpetrators - boys - were called to account formally and informally. It was not a perfect school at all - there was drugs, sexual behaviour and bullying but the culture of the school was so zero tolerance it went beyond a few PHSE chats it was inculcated in the ethos of the whole school. the predominant culture was mature female and diverse voices,, backed by teachers and the leadership of the school articulating a mature and equitable world. To be fair I think the boys followed behind.

But I'm not focused on my DC's experiences. I'm absolutely choked that the Harvey Weinstein, rape assertive power dynamic is prospering in school environments. Its disgusting. I hope there is a root and branch review and parents start asking about the character that private and selective schools engender |not just the results. There's an old adage that a[rents of boys would prefer them to be civilised by being schooled alongside their female contemporaries but that girls do better in all female environments.

It is such a joke when we talk about equality in work environments when so many women have been exposed to these brutish rapey school environments. We will never change society if we don't change education. And we have to more actively prepare our young men for decent and egalitarian behaviour to women and our young women to be empowered to be empowered and seek retribution. But in the end it will be leadership in schools that have a primarily male culture that makes the biggest difference investigating and punishing out sexist and abusive behaviour and treating perpetrators in the same way as students accused of drugs offences. And secondly, peer pressure amongst young men at parties, on school buses and in classes that really calls out bad behaviour.- this is not who we are as men. It really, really matters. And parents can't leave it to someone else. They need to actively avoid school environments with toxic cultures and probe how they exert a zero tolerance egalitarian culture. Take action, remove your money and change the economy of private schooling.

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ApplyWithin · 31/03/2021 14:28

I noticed that the headmaster of Dulwich college reported things to police and one of the things he was quoted as saying was so "those involved have chance to clear their name" so I don't know if he said more and this quote was focused on by the Guardian and if he also said he reported so police could investigate and bring people to justice if appropriate as well. But it reads like even the head treats it like false allegations which is part of the problem

Innocent until proven guilty surely? Same as when the police say they want to eliminate a suspect from their inquiries. A girl comes to the head with an allegation, the head questions the alleged perpetrator who denies it. What is he supposed to do? Call the police and say “string this kid up, I wasn’t there but this girl says he did it and I believe her version of events no questions asked” ? He’s letting the police deal with it because it is a police matter.

Elij00 · 31/03/2021 16:17

@CJFJ1

Clearly the answer is to close all independent schools down and convert them to state academies.
We'd close the majority of schools in the UK both state and private if we were to go by this rule. Even some of the squeaky clean All Girls Schools will have to close too.
GoLightlyontheEarth · 31/03/2021 18:21

I’ve worked in an Academy. The education is not in any way shape or form on a par with those of Independent schools.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 31/03/2021 22:01

The main issue here is that parents, schools and society are failing children. Why are our kids being raised with access to extreme porn, why have boys and girls got little understanding of relationships, why have they so little self respect and respect for others. We now have a situation where this gone from a genuine call for girls and women's voices to be heard to something that has snowballed into a nasty out of control social media slur campaign against all males with young teens being named and shamed online for alleged sexual harassment or assaults. We had a situation today where a large gang of girls targeted boy who someone had alleged something about resulting in him being attacked and kicked in the head. It's now mob rule and trial by social media. These are kids it's all gone way too far.

GoLightlyontheEarth · 31/03/2021 22:06

@SilverGlitterBaubles

The main issue here is that parents, schools and society are failing children. Why are our kids being raised with access to extreme porn, why have boys and girls got little understanding of relationships, why have they so little self respect and respect for others. We now have a situation where this gone from a genuine call for girls and women's voices to be heard to something that has snowballed into a nasty out of control social media slur campaign against all males with young teens being named and shamed online for alleged sexual harassment or assaults. We had a situation today where a large gang of girls targeted boy who someone had alleged something about resulting in him being attacked and kicked in the head. It's now mob rule and trial by social media. These are kids it's all gone way too far.
I completely agree. That’s horrendous.
PresentingPercy · 31/03/2021 23:49

We see mobs “ruling” and influencing all the time now. It’s who makes the best footage and gets it out there. You don’t need much of it. It’s not surprising this has boiled over. It surprises me, though, that no one cared enough to demonstrate for the Rochdale girls.

Watermelon1234 · 01/04/2021 08:21

@PresentingPercy

We see mobs “ruling” and influencing all the time now. It’s who makes the best footage and gets it out there. You don’t need much of it. It’s not surprising this has boiled over. It surprises me, though, that no one cared enough to demonstrate for the Rochdale girls.
Yes that was a massive scandal - most likely still happening in other areas- and it felt like it was brushed over and minimally reported on. Maybe it wasn’t pc enough...
Poorlykitten · 01/04/2021 08:56

I know of someone, in his 40s who was repeatedly abused by his teacher at private school. It was all brushed under the carpet and he was paid off with a (very insignificant) lump sum to keep quiet...(Which, he did and the teacher kept his job). The whole of the management team and board knew about it, they didn’t want the name of the extremely posh boarding school to be tainted.

PresentingPercy · 01/04/2021 09:00

I was aware, when I was working In education and young, that there was concern about abuse by a teacher at a boys’ grammar school nearby. The teacher was moved on to a girls’ school! Nothing happened at all! Ifcdnyime thinks, yet again, that this is just a private school issue, they are wrong!

OhamIreally · 01/04/2021 10:21

I think this is the tip of the iceberg and it will be shown to be endemic in state schools as well.
I went to a co-ed state school decades ago and there was all the usual bra-strap pinging and calling girls "slags". From there I went to a good university with a large contingent of public school educated students. The arrogance and entitlement coupled with misogyny of the male students took my breath away- it was more pronounced than anything I'd seen or experienced.
I think the sense of entitlement instilled by private schools really feeds into this. Totally toxic.

PresentingPercy · 01/04/2021 11:50

Why do you think that entitlement is purely a private school issue? I’ve seen state school boys exactly the same. The hard army types. The arrogant rugby types. The cock of the walk types, the “get yer tits out” catcalling types. Honestly - this behaviour is everywhere! In all schools. Just looks a bit different in state schools.

tf23 · 01/04/2021 12:27

@PresentingPercy

I was aware, when I was working In education and young, that there was concern about abuse by a teacher at a boys’ grammar school nearby. The teacher was moved on to a girls’ school! Nothing happened at all! Ifcdnyime thinks, yet again, that this is just a private school issue, they are wrong!
Ditto. Name change but I knew of someone who was abused by a teacher at my state primary school. Despite one of the parents being a police officer, the teacher was not charged and remained at the school for years thereafter. The child in question had to move school for obvious reasons.

Tangential to the issue here but two teachers at my kids' prep school were allegedly seeing each other (one single, one married) and they were both quietly "moved on". I don't see covering up as more of a private school issue.

PresentingPercy · 01/04/2021 12:52

We had that with the married head of a local secondary school and his secretary. He went in the end. Messy though. School ended up as RI too.

BasiliskStare · 01/04/2021 15:58

No chance of karma, these boys were protected by the golden bubble of wealth and powerful parents. No doubt the fathers were bullies like the sons,

Yup - right. - Good gideon. Sad

& onwards to more considered debate

BasiliskStare · 01/04/2021 16:59

One more point a relative of mine during his time at Winchester saw none of this - not all private schools are dreadful.

AuntieStella · 01/04/2021 18:13

No chance of karma, these boys were protected by the golden bubble of wealth and powerful parents. No doubt the fathers were bullies like the sons

So many of the accounts added to the website in the last week are from bog standard comps, such that the site's founder now says it's just plain wrong to say it's a private school issue. The experiences of those girls matter, and it seems the toxic males who have never been near a golden bubble are going to be overlooked. Opportunity lost?

BasiliskStare · 01/04/2021 18:45

Ds went to a school which is private & single sex & to say once more , DS says that during his time there he never ever saw any bullying or given they had social evenings with other schools ( single sex female schools ) no untoward behaviour But the school was very very much - behave properly. - it was a rule and during Ds's time he cannot remember anyone over stepping the mark.

OhamIreally · 02/04/2021 10:46

@PresentingPercy

Why do you think that entitlement is purely a private school issue? I’ve seen state school boys exactly the same. The hard army types. The arrogant rugby types. The cock of the walk types, the “get yer tits out” catcalling types. Honestly - this behaviour is everywhere! In all schools. Just looks a bit different in state schools.
I think it because I went to a large state co-Ed school and never saw the huge sense of entitlement that I witnessed amongst the privately educated boys I met at university. So I had a good basis of comparison.
PresentingPercy · 02/04/2021 16:56

You went to one school. Yet you compared boys who went to whole myraid of pivate schools. So you think. Did you ask all of them, or just make assumptions because you did not like them? What do you think of men cat-calling from building sites? Or the men who have groomed girls? Do they not have "entitled" attitudes in their way?

Oohhhbetty · 02/04/2021 17:41

@PresentingPercy but you seem to have it in for all grammar schools based on what ever happened between you and the ‘pushy parents’ at your DD’s state primary years ago (you mentioned you are retirement age so I am guessing this was a while ago and hardly true of every grammar parent in the land) Everyone brings in their own anecdotal experience to these forums they are not based on data but on people.

PresentingPercy · 02/04/2021 19:58

I was an older mum! No. I don’t have it in for grammar schools. I don’t necessarily equate the odd pushy parents I’ve come across with every parent of a child at a grammar. I know lots of parents whose DC went to the grammars and some are my friends!!!

However, I did work in Education and I dealt with DC who were excluded. Trying to find them new schools for a fresh start. They were excluded from all sorts of schools. However it’s obviously wrong to assume university students are from private schools when you haven’t asked them. I do at least know where the DC go to school.

OhamIreally · 02/04/2021 22:32

@PresentingPercy you have misunderstood and are suggesting that I merely assumed these boys were privately educated. I knew exactly where many of them went to school because they would talk about their schools and many of them were well known public schools.

NotDonna · 02/04/2021 23:26

Private, state, whatever. Pretty irrelevant. More importantly how do we PREVENT this!

PresentingPercy · 03/04/2021 09:40

Exactly. Just saying entitlement of a certain kind is solely a private school issue is ludicrous. It has already led to the debate being narrowed down and prevention and education is needed in all sectors of society. However I think home life and upbringing are starting points. Parents should look at their parenting but certain cultures promote males in the heirarchy. So how is that going to change?

Oohhhbetty · 03/04/2021 10:17

@PresentingPercy Yes we must move forward across society, accepting that there are problems in every institution in the land, and there have been some good threads with ideas and lots of parents discussing how they might parent differently

This thread however is about the OP and other people being angry in particular with private schools, particularly those that ignored complaints from alleged victims. Another two scandal schools in the Telegraph today. Why did these schools take no action? I know other schools in state sector no doubt did too, I understand that we don't hear about them in press, but my question to you is this - can you see that parents paying huge fees might expect more from these particular models of schools? Why did the schools who have been mentioned, who took money from parents in good faith, not do better? they sell themselves as better in every way, why not this way?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/exclusive-elite-schools-ignored-us-warned-rape-culture/

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