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I feel so angry reading 'Everyone's Invited' website about rape culture largely at private schools

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Bouledeneige · 26/03/2021 00:02

So I read the Dulwich College post and now the allegations about Highgate School on Newsnight. There are fulsome letters to both schools governors published online. They make for heartbreaking and stomach churning reading. I am so angry. I've just read the 'Everyone's invited' website and I can see how entrenched misogyny, rape culture, slut shaming, homophobia and racism are in the named school. - mostly private but a few selective.

And underling them all is a powerful suggestion that school leadership is all about 'boys will be boys', reputation management and 'there's two sides to every story'. So traumatised female students are forced into silence and reduced to walking the corridors with their abusers with lots of mockery and slutt shaming accompanying them. Its so disgusting - it is beyond anything that can be excused. Who on earth wants our sons to be recruited into this misogynistic and coercive rape culture or our daughters abused and living in fear of it?

I've stated my views on other threads. My kids went to a not so perfect state school in London. The big difference to these accounts is that they experienced a very 'woke' and 'right on' school culture that demonstrated a zero tolerance culture and empowerment of the female students. They were so empowered they actively and powerfully called out sexist, racist and homophobic behaviours and the perpetrators - boys - were called to account formally and informally. It was not a perfect school at all - there was drugs, sexual behaviour and bullying but the culture of the school was so zero tolerance it went beyond a few PHSE chats it was inculcated in the ethos of the whole school. the predominant culture was mature female and diverse voices,, backed by teachers and the leadership of the school articulating a mature and equitable world. To be fair I think the boys followed behind.

But I'm not focused on my DC's experiences. I'm absolutely choked that the Harvey Weinstein, rape assertive power dynamic is prospering in school environments. Its disgusting. I hope there is a root and branch review and parents start asking about the character that private and selective schools engender |not just the results. There's an old adage that a[rents of boys would prefer them to be civilised by being schooled alongside their female contemporaries but that girls do better in all female environments.

It is such a joke when we talk about equality in work environments when so many women have been exposed to these brutish rapey school environments. We will never change society if we don't change education. And we have to more actively prepare our young men for decent and egalitarian behaviour to women and our young women to be empowered to be empowered and seek retribution. But in the end it will be leadership in schools that have a primarily male culture that makes the biggest difference investigating and punishing out sexist and abusive behaviour and treating perpetrators in the same way as students accused of drugs offences. And secondly, peer pressure amongst young men at parties, on school buses and in classes that really calls out bad behaviour.- this is not who we are as men. It really, really matters. And parents can't leave it to someone else. They need to actively avoid school environments with toxic cultures and probe how they exert a zero tolerance egalitarian culture. Take action, remove your money and change the economy of private schooling.

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Brian9600 · 29/03/2021 11:51

Interesting article by the founder of EI in the Times today. She says that initially reports came predominantly from London indies because she's privately educated and from London and the site was spread by her sharing it with friends. However, now it's known about more generally reports are coming from everywhere- state and private and all over the country. Unsurprising but incredibly sad.

Oohhhbetty · 29/03/2021 14:19

But many children are now writing open letters to the London schools, slightly different to the EI website. Letters have been written before and ignored. Sounds like some cover ups being going on at these famous schools.

ApplyWithin · 29/03/2021 14:53

I would go as far as to say it’s not just about the questionable material boys see online. I’d say young girls need to be steered away from Beyoncé, Little Mix etc (sorry, not very well up on pop these days!) as all they do is gyrate about in leotards making themselves look sexually available. Girls are directed by pop culture to look sexy and sexual at all times. It’s horrifying. Both boys AND girls are taking on terrible messages about sexuality from an early age.

AuntieStella · 29/03/2021 15:00

The founder of EI has stated that , as further accounts come in, it's not predominantly private school issue.

If the early skew on the reporting leads people to the wrong conclusion - ie that thus is not a problem in any school and every walk of life - then the opportunity to make a difference for all girls and women will be lost

ApplyWithin · 29/03/2021 15:03

Wealth can bring arrogance. Entitlement. Boys who are never brought down a peg or two. All boys together. Untouchable. I'm sure it's a big issue in state schools but the arrogance I've seen from men who came through this system is horrendous

I went to a mixed comp then did A’Levels at a private school. The only place I saw arrogance and entitlement was from the nasty low-lifes I had to try to learn with at the comp. Groping and foul language about girls was rife. And they had the sort of parents who would have defended them and possibly thrown a punch at the headteachers if questioned.

At the private school? I only encountered decent boys, getting on with lessons, having a laugh, speaking to you politely. The notion of them being somehow protected by sinister wealth fathers covering up their misdeeds is ridiculous. They were from good families who would have supported the school in discipline.

Some people watch too many films...

MrPickles73 · 29/03/2021 15:08

I don't think this is a new thing at all - it was certainly around when I was at school 30 years ago. I do think that spoilt, entitled children are more likely to exhibit these behaviours but I certainly wouldn't suggest its a private school issue. I also think its a mistake to blame the schools. Surely the roots of this are in parenting?

Notoriouslynotnotious · 29/03/2021 15:10

Look at every TV series, films out there. The treatment of women is appalling. Look at music videos. Look at the objectification of young girls as sexual objects, that is at epidemic proportions in society. Look at the wide scale availability of porn that is ever more hardcore year upon year, or even worse look at it’s use among young boys and men. This is not a school issue. This is a significant social issue that if we speak out about we are called various synonyms of prudish.

The sexual objectification of women and hyper sexual culture is effecting all males but particularly teens whose hormones are practically forcing them towards sexual behaviour. It is a perfect storm for this to be the case. Women have to exit denial and stop pretending it isn’t their sons, brothers and husbands contributing to this problem and do what they can to call a halt to the really damaging socialisation of young boys. Men proliferating this culture are the problem but it is as always women and children who will experience the worst of the consequences from this objectification of girls and hypersexualisation of males.

MrPickles73 · 29/03/2021 15:10

I attended a online safety talk for parents and the presenter said that at age 11 about 50% of children have accessed porn online (mostly in error). Just think about that. What are we doing to our children?

SpookieDookie · 29/03/2021 15:13

It's not just private schools. My daughter's state school has problems with harassment, dickpics, slutshaming and so on. The school does nothing. It's endemic.

PresentingPercy · 29/03/2021 16:27

@MrPickles73
How do they actually know that though? Through a tiny sample? Of whom?
@ApplyWithin
It’s clearly not a wealth or an issue just in private schools. It’s an issue in all sectors of society and there are many cultures where men are more “entitled” than women. That doesn’t mean they behave badly with women but their culture puts them on a pedestal. Being wealthy doesn’t bring bad behaviour with it any more than single parents do. It’s a culture amongst some boys and schools, parents, local authorities have to work together to change thinking. However in some cultures this will be very difficult as access to porn is available everywhere and so are parents who turn a blind eye and have done for generations.

MrPickles73 · 29/03/2021 16:30

PresentingPercy tbh I can't remember but they said if anything 50% is an under representation..

HelloMissus · 29/03/2021 17:10

I think the almost desperate desire here to believe that this is something that is only happening in small wealthy pockets of society is what will ensure that the majority of girls in state schools will continue to suffer in silence.
People, especially mothers, never want to accept it’s their son that it part of the problem.

ListeningQuietly · 29/03/2021 17:32

ALL schools need to refocus on safeguarding girls

  • single sex toilets
  • single sex changing rooms
  • excluding bullies
  • sanctions for cyber bullying
  • accepting that single sex rights are defined in law and should be upheld
PresentingPercy · 29/03/2021 17:34

It was an access to porn survey by Revealing Reality of 2300 young people of varying ages from 7-16. The survey was published for the BBFC - film classifications. So a tiny sample. Lots was found inadvertently and that’s quite a big problem. Too easy to find.

IrishGirl2020 · 29/03/2021 18:54

Quite a lot of porn nowadays is essentially just violence against women. I’ve never been quite sure why we as a society are ok with that even existing?
Most people would think posting or watching a video of a man or men just beating up a woman was pretty disturbing but somehow when it’s supposedly sexual it’s ok.
I’m aware I’ll be called prudish now but I can’t help but think that allowing teenage boys to watch this sort of stuff isn’t going to warp their idea of what’s normal/acceptable.

PresentingPercy · 29/03/2021 19:24

It’s allowed because of the internet. It’s that simple. Ban the internet and it’s back to top shelf magazines. There is no way the genie is going back into the bottle so boys have to be educated.

IrishGirl2020 · 29/03/2021 20:08

Top shelf magazines were pretty tame compared to what’s available freely on the internet. And none of us want to ban the internet. However I’m pretty sure you could make violent porn harder to access - it would still exist but the market for it would be reduced and you wouldn’t access it accidentally. Why is there no appetite for doing that?

But having said all that, there were always boys who behaved badly towards girls well before easily accessible porn. I remember hearing many similar stories to those on the EI website when I was growing up in rural Ireland in the 80s/90s - so it is definitely not a question of state v private or entitled v not-entitled boys.

Lollipop888 · 29/03/2021 21:47

I was at school 30 years ago (state comp) and it was rife then. We just accepted it as a part of life and kept quiet but things stay with you all your life.

Well done to girls nowadays for calling it out and calling for change. My dd (state comp) has experienced some pretty vile sexual language from a boy she sat next to who was being very inappropriate. School did deal with it and it stopped, but from what they say it’s commonplace, as is commenting on girl’s bodies, looks etc...

PresentingPercy · 30/03/2021 00:16

I wasn’t being serious about banning the internet but no one yet has policed it effectively.

nohelp · 30/03/2021 01:53

This is a problem in our society. It’s not about Private or State schools. I’ve just spent a couple of hours reading the accounts. It’s very disturbing. What kept out at me was the amount of drinking and parties at 14. Who on earth let’s kids have parties with drink and drugs. We’ve got a parenting issue here as well.

GoLightlyontheEarth · 30/03/2021 02:14

The accounts are really disturbing. I remember some incidents at my school. State comp.
One of my friends was photographed naked on a bed at a party aged about 15. Looking back,
I think something fairly awful happened to her but we never spoke about it. I don’t think it’s just private schools.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 30/03/2021 08:17

While I think schools need to play a part in addressing this parents very much need to step up too. Schools are not solely responsible for instilling respect and values in our children, they cannot police your son's internet porn habits, schools are not responsible for allowing your teens to attend parties with drink and drugs when they are far to young to cope with these situations. Parents need to stop relying on schools to parent.

tangerinelollipop · 30/03/2021 08:37

they experienced a very 'woke' and 'right on' school culture
Take action, remove your money and change the economy of private schooling

There's something uncomfortable about the tone of your post OP

Also appropriate behaviour has nothing to do with being 'woke' or state schools

tangerinelollipop · 30/03/2021 08:43

The private school bashing on MN, regarding this issue, is frankly ridiculous

I agree. Also this myriad of websites springing up out of nowhere. Absolutely issues need to be investigated and sorted out. But all of this smacks of (yet another) campaign to bash, discredit and defund the 'privileged'

Poorlykitten · 30/03/2021 09:22

Must be awful to be so ‘privileged’ and feel so put upon. 🧐