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I feel so angry reading 'Everyone's Invited' website about rape culture largely at private schools

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Bouledeneige · 26/03/2021 00:02

So I read the Dulwich College post and now the allegations about Highgate School on Newsnight. There are fulsome letters to both schools governors published online. They make for heartbreaking and stomach churning reading. I am so angry. I've just read the 'Everyone's invited' website and I can see how entrenched misogyny, rape culture, slut shaming, homophobia and racism are in the named school. - mostly private but a few selective.

And underling them all is a powerful suggestion that school leadership is all about 'boys will be boys', reputation management and 'there's two sides to every story'. So traumatised female students are forced into silence and reduced to walking the corridors with their abusers with lots of mockery and slutt shaming accompanying them. Its so disgusting - it is beyond anything that can be excused. Who on earth wants our sons to be recruited into this misogynistic and coercive rape culture or our daughters abused and living in fear of it?

I've stated my views on other threads. My kids went to a not so perfect state school in London. The big difference to these accounts is that they experienced a very 'woke' and 'right on' school culture that demonstrated a zero tolerance culture and empowerment of the female students. They were so empowered they actively and powerfully called out sexist, racist and homophobic behaviours and the perpetrators - boys - were called to account formally and informally. It was not a perfect school at all - there was drugs, sexual behaviour and bullying but the culture of the school was so zero tolerance it went beyond a few PHSE chats it was inculcated in the ethos of the whole school. the predominant culture was mature female and diverse voices,, backed by teachers and the leadership of the school articulating a mature and equitable world. To be fair I think the boys followed behind.

But I'm not focused on my DC's experiences. I'm absolutely choked that the Harvey Weinstein, rape assertive power dynamic is prospering in school environments. Its disgusting. I hope there is a root and branch review and parents start asking about the character that private and selective schools engender |not just the results. There's an old adage that a[rents of boys would prefer them to be civilised by being schooled alongside their female contemporaries but that girls do better in all female environments.

It is such a joke when we talk about equality in work environments when so many women have been exposed to these brutish rapey school environments. We will never change society if we don't change education. And we have to more actively prepare our young men for decent and egalitarian behaviour to women and our young women to be empowered to be empowered and seek retribution. But in the end it will be leadership in schools that have a primarily male culture that makes the biggest difference investigating and punishing out sexist and abusive behaviour and treating perpetrators in the same way as students accused of drugs offences. And secondly, peer pressure amongst young men at parties, on school buses and in classes that really calls out bad behaviour.- this is not who we are as men. It really, really matters. And parents can't leave it to someone else. They need to actively avoid school environments with toxic cultures and probe how they exert a zero tolerance egalitarian culture. Take action, remove your money and change the economy of private schooling.

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SoupDragon · 26/03/2021 10:12

Just can’t happen in state schools

😂 yeah, right...

Shinealightonit · 26/03/2021 10:22

I am a state school student. You are all nuts if you think this doesn’t go on in state schools - myself and all of my friends have many stories. It’s hard to speak out as everyone would know who we are and our lives wouldn’t be worth living - We don’t have the protection of wealthy parents and newspaper coverage. Seriously wake up and think about why state school girls are less likely to come forward than private school girls. We need to be addressing this problem together as one society otherwise nothing will change.

Lindseylovescake · 26/03/2021 10:27

State schools under local authority control have to deal much more seriously with these allegations than fee paying schools

@Dillydaffy, respectfully, that's rubbish, all schools have exactly the same statuary requirement when it comes to reporting these types of incident, including the need to refer to local authority/police either themselves or a case if thresholds are met. Private schools may have differing processes, just like different local authorities have different processes, but the requirement, the end goal, is that all incidents are dealt with correctly. Independent schools, for example have to follow 'keeping Children safe in education', just like state schools, and they are rigorously inspected on this by ISI. Failing to pass a full quality of education or compliance inspection, for an independent schools, is a repetitional nightmare, especially if that was due to their negligence on issues such as those we are discussing. Another, factually incorrect, private school bashing is not what we need here.

Sometimes school's get things wrong, sometimes they feel they can mediate to solve an issue instead of making it formal, etc. But all schools do that, and to say the state school process is entirely foolproof and transparent is just BS.... One of my DCs went to a state school, the other private, maybe I should get the head of his state-comp to call you for advise, because that school was everything but successful at dealing with 'pastoral or cultural beahviour issues'.

Lindseylovescake · 26/03/2021 10:29

*reputational

Dillydaffy · 26/03/2021 10:32

@alongtimeagoin2019 yes they have to deal with things that go on outside school and also on phones if they are reported to schools. The process is clear and transparent - once there has been a reporting on an incident that ticks the LA boxes, the D.C. who allegation is made against is put in to isolation, parents contacted, parents of victims contacted and police officers are assigned to talk first to parents and then children.

alongtimeagoin2019 · 26/03/2021 10:34

@Shinealightonit

I am a state school student. You are all nuts if you think this doesn’t go on in state schools - myself and all of my friends have many stories. It’s hard to speak out as everyone would know who we are and our lives wouldn’t be worth living - We don’t have the protection of wealthy parents and newspaper coverage. Seriously wake up and think about why state school girls are less likely to come forward than private school girls. We need to be addressing this problem together as one society otherwise nothing will change.
I think most of the posters on here (and the other threads all on the same subject...) agree with you. Lots of families also have children at both state and private schools, may teach at one and send their children to another, have sons and daughters at the same school or different ones. All this 'Private schools are full of rich entitled rapists' and 'State schools are all perfect' is detracting from the real issues.
Lindseylovescake · 26/03/2021 10:35

"...LA boxes, the D.C. who allegation is made against is put in to isolation, parents contacted, parents of victims contacted and police officers are assigned to talk first to parents and then children."

@Dillydaffy, yes that the law, every state OR independent school, nursery, child care setting, scout group, swimming club, etc. has to do that.

It's not just state schools.

alongtimeagoin2019 · 26/03/2021 10:37

[quote Dillydaffy]@alongtimeagoin2019 yes they have to deal with things that go on outside school and also on phones if they are reported to schools. The process is clear and transparent - once there has been a reporting on an incident that ticks the LA boxes, the D.C. who allegation is made against is put in to isolation, parents contacted, parents of victims contacted and police officers are assigned to talk first to parents and then children.[/quote]
But the private schools also have clear and transparent processes- I have worked in some. Those processes obviously don't always work- in the same way they don't always in the state schools either...(also know from experience). You've only got to read on MN about things that go on at ALL schools where nothing is done.

Oohhhbetty · 26/03/2021 10:38

Clearly some of the named schools haven’t been following the process quite as they should - we will discover more as the cases unfold. But absolutely this is not sector dependent, this is nationwide and perhaps due to phones and porn and inattentive parenting. Good on these brave girls in ALL schools to use their voices.

dcb2 · 26/03/2021 11:07

Agree that there are formal processes in private schools too. I won't go into details for obvious reasons and it wasn't of the same nature as this thread but quite a serious offence was committed by a private school pupil.

The incidents were investigated, the pupil in question was expelled and, with school's support, the Metropolitan Police decided to prosecute.

Oohhhbetty · 26/03/2021 11:31

It sounds like Dulwich have self reported themselves to the charity commission so I suspect their internal processes will be much scrutinised.

Lindseylovescake · 26/03/2021 11:40

@Oohhhbetty, that is standard practice under the code, and a requirement of any charity that is facing severe and public scrutiny, no matter what it might be for.

It is also the case that they have reported themselves to the LADO and the local police, also standard practice, yet additionally it also works for them, by showing parents and students that they are being open, transparent and have nothing to hide.

The charity commission will not be involved in any scrutinising with respects to internal processes, as the cases in hand come under the jurisdiction of the local authority and police - that is should the school have done anything illegal or the police require evidence to prosecute individuals for offences themselves.

It appears they are taking this seriously and following all the correct procedures. If they have sounds policies in force (their website indicates they do) AND they have been following them correctly, then they have nothing to hide from. Im sure they will also be subject to an emergency ISI (the ofsted for independent schools) inspection at some point soon too.

pico1234 · 26/03/2021 11:45

Agree @Lindseylovescake. The key word there is “AND they have been following them”!

pico1234 · 26/03/2021 11:46

.....we’ll find out in due course I’m sure

Oohhhbetty · 26/03/2021 11:47

@Lindseylovescake. That all sounds good. You can’t really ignore it when so many newspapers have outed it I am sure - trial by press scrutiny. Interesting it is the broadsheets more than the red tops.

Jamiebond789 · 26/03/2021 12:08

I read today that Soma Sara has removed schools names from the everyonesinvited website. She is worried that certain schools are being “disproportionally blamed” and this “doesn’t reflect reality”. She also stated that “pointing the finger at certain demographics and institutions is damaging because we risk making these cases seem like anomalies” when the issue is pervasive across all of society.

pico1234 · 26/03/2021 12:51

@Jamiebond789, as of this morning the names all still seem to be there. However, if it is going to happen in due course, I agree that doing so will allow us to have a better cross society discussion about what’s happened/happening.

However, I think that allowing the school names to be published on her site, in the beginning, was actually necessary for the site to gain enough publicity and traction.

And, further, I don’t think that her statement regarding removing the names is based entirely the sentiment she speaks of (although I agree with it!), but more likely on the basis of legal advice! .....given that these top schools have incredible legal resources and are likely to be exploring all ‘their options’.

pico1234 · 26/03/2021 12:53

*Based entirely on

sandybayley · 26/03/2021 13:00

@pico1234 - I think Everyone's Invited said they won't publish school names going forward not that the previously named school references will be deleted. See this article

schoolsweek.co.uk/everyones-invited-rape-culture-website-stops-naming-schools-amid-fears-they-take-disproportionate-blame/

SchrodingersUnicorn · 26/03/2021 13:08

It's so naive to think this is a private school problem or to think what you see of your kids' school is all there is.
This is widespread, in all sectors, and staff have their hands tied in all sectors by demands for 'evidence', the difficulty of expelling pupils and the apathetic attitude from predominantly male leadership and the police.

OVienna · 26/03/2021 13:50

@DarlingOscar

This is a very naive take on the whole thing. This is an issue that affects every kid at every school. The fact that this one website has attracted comments from a small range of (largely) London Boys Independent schools does not mean that the issue is somehow magically restricted to those schools.

HTH

I agree. Also: the website is very London-based overall. Good on the owner of the site to take the school names down because (however cynical I am that it was as much to do with legal threats as anything else) I do think that there is a risk here with the geography, demographic, and status of the schools quoted in the main the whole thing will start to look like some sort of version of Fast Times at Ridgemont High. We should and must hear from students across the full spectrum.

I think it is very optimistic to suggest that state schools are better able to tackle this because so much happens off site as well.

OVienna · 26/03/2021 13:51

@Oohhhbetty

It sounds like Dulwich have self reported themselves to the charity commission so I suspect their internal processes will be much scrutinised.
Good for them.
Lamplighter12 · 26/03/2021 13:51

This is not purely a private school problem
. But light is the best disinfectant. On that basis every private school should be subject to the same school inspectorate as all other schools in the country immediately.

shinealightonit · 26/03/2021 14:16

Entitlement comes in many forms - every school has its own form of social currency and it doesn't make sense that "everyone" from a particular school would have the same level of social currency as there's always a hierarchy. At my school the "entitled boys" who were the biggest sexual predators were part of a gang who dealt drugs on a small scale. They always had access to drugs and alcohol and places where people could go to party - people wanted to be "in" with this group because they were "cool" and seemed to be having more fun than everyone else. At other schools the entitled ones might be the sporting superstars or the good looking ones. You don't have to have rich parents to be the sort of dickhead that we are all calling out.

Lanzo · 27/03/2021 06:52

This is a massive problem in state schools as well.

It is private school girls speaking out about it so it gives a very skewed impression of the situation.