Parents try to stop children being taught about trans relationships

[julie333]

As far as I know, parents will no longer be allowed to take their children out of Sex Education from 2020.

The subject was debated in the Halls of Westminster yesterday (25 February).

Whatever parents' opinions may be about trangenderism, I do think ultimately it´s the parents who decide what their children should be taught about this matter and not the State.

"The UK Conservative government is set to announce plans for the introduction of lessons on homosexuality and transgenderism for primary school students, despite an official petition against the move, signed by over 100,000.

The Sunday Times reports that the new curriculum has been finalized after a six-month consultation with the Department of Education, and will be rolled out across UK schools starting from the 2020-21 educational year.

It will be taught to pupils from the age of five, and it will be illegal for parents to take their children out of the classroom for the lessons in secondary school, meaning that at least a term’s worth of sex education classes – and likely far more – will be attended by each student."

If you wis to sign the petition against compulsory Sex Education,then here is the link:

Give parents the right to opt their child out of Relationship and Sex Education

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235053

Like I say, wait and see. Schools will be sensible, that I'm sure of

This is a stance we cant afford to take.

Schools arent being sensible. Children are returning from school holidays to mixed sex toilets, and changing and sports. Without consultation

Yes, some schools are treating children as the opposite sex behind their parents backs and with no medical opinion or advice. Stonewall champion schools are being trained by a strong diversity brand that is currently showing no regard for safeguarding or any issues arising from the biological difference between Male and female bodies.

Relying on schools to be sensible in the current environment is not going to work.

I asked before, but think it was missed, what words do you believe will be used to children in the new curriculum about trans?

Oh yes that reminds me of the guidance given to specifically target children with sn and have a dressing up box of clothes for them.

nature does get 'mixed up' occasionally . Statements like this are precisely what I object to.

Where is the scientific or medical basis for that assertion Oscar ? I mean in relation to "trans" not intersex which is completely different.

What is your definition of "trans"? Is it the same as Stonewall's definition?

TRANS
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

That definition makes such extreme assumptions. Firstly about the concept of "gender". Again, there is no scientific or biological definition of "gender". I do not believe that humans have a gender.

I can completely accept that indviduals feel at odds with the social stereotypes or norms dictated by society but that does not mean that nature got 'mixed up' or they were 'born in the wrong body'.

I can also accept that people have body dysmorphia - but again that does not mean that a man is really woman any more than a skeletal anorexic is really fat because that's how they perceive their body to be.

'm very confident that schools are not going to say to my daughter 'is that a football you are playing with, you must be a boy so go and have a sex change' like a pp said was happening in her child's school. It's just not going to be like that.

It will be if they invite a group like Mermaids in to talk to the children.

I asked before, but think it was missed, what words do you believe will be used to children in the new curriculum about trans?

Good and critical question.

I don’t think anyone knows. But what is taught and by who is critical.

Dont you see oscar

You cannot explain trans in any way shape or form without resorting to harmful stereotypes. If you cant see how that will confuse and damage impressionable children then I dont know what else to say tbh

Oscar well, they might go down your 'nature mixed up' route, which is gibberish.

Like I say, wait and see. Schools will be sensible, that I'm sure of.

Unfortunately that cannot be guaranteed. When we have secondary schools and Girl Guides insisting that the trans-girl (i.e. natal male) is a girl and must be allowed to share the other girls' changing rooms and showers, we absolutely cannot guarantee that schools or other organisations will be sensible.

My DC will not be attending these lessons, whether that is illegal or not. They are not gay and they are not trans and I refuse to allow them to listen to the teachers that they look up to and admire so much tell them that it is ok to be so. Why can’t we just let our children get on with life without influencing them?

And when mermaids et al offer a ready made training session for free, what school is really going to say no in the current financial climate.

I asked before, but think it was missed, what words do you believe will be used to children in the new curriculum about trans?

It is not the choice of words that concerns me, it is the whole idea of teaching children about something that is not evidence based, reasearched, agreed on and currently not free to be discussed openly.

Where will teachers go for advice and information? Mermaids?? Stonewall???

The consequences of blindly going down this route are so enormous to be almost incomprehensible. For individual children it is the threat of irreversible physical and medical intervention, for women and girls it leads to devastating misogyny and erosion of their safe spaces and rights and access to opportunities e.g. in sport .

How can it be ok to tell schools that if a girl objects to competing against a physically male peer, she should be removed from the activity?

Because this is the advice being given by organisations schools are actively signposted to. It doesn't matter whether or not stuff like this is laid out in the guidance per se. Schools are directed to the places where it is.

Mermaids and Stonewall are already in schools.

At my dds school the have had a presentation on LGBT issues and workshops etc.(split into boys and girls!)Year 11.
Dd says them mentioned gay men,did not mention lesbians at all and most was about trans.Dd and a few of her friends are lesbians/bi and they were shut down when they asked questions.She has a transboy in her class too,the presenter misgendered him several times despite being told.
It fortunately only needs a little mishandling like this to give your average teenager a jaundiced view of these kind of presentation as by this age they know quite a bit.
At a younger age children are less questioning of adults and even more unsure of their newly teenaged bodies,some non NT children even more .This is the age group I worry about.
Like others quite happy about sexual orientation education and would encourage more on consent/types of abuse.Trans is a different issue.

I don’t think anyone knows. But what is taught and by who is critical

Yes. I asked because there was a poster who insisted her school was teaching that if a boy played with a doll, he is told he's s girl and needs a sex change. I said I didn't believe this.

I think the part of the curriculum about trans will be a timy amount of what is taught about sex and relationships. I really do think people are making out that children are going to be told extreme things when in reality they won't be.

My DD goes to have very dippy hippy liberal lefty kind of school and whilst on the one hand they would profess not to give sex role stereotyping the time of day (boys with hair down the their waists at the school, for example), on the other hand they are hyper inclusive and I fear they would take this on without properly thinking it through - and there would be a lot of liberal lefty parents cheering them on.

They are not gay and they are not trans and I refuse to allow them to listen to the teachers that they look up to and admire so much tell them that it is ok to be so

You don't think it ok to be gay?

on the other hand they are hyper inclusive and I fear they would take this on without properly thinking it through - and there would be a lot of liberal lefty parents cheering them on.

I completely trust my children's schools. I wouldn't send them there if I didn't '.

I asked before, but think it was missed, what words do you believe will be used to children in the new curriculum about trans?

The new draft guidance says:

31. Schools should be alive to issues such as everyday sexism, misogyny, homophobia and gender stereotypes and take positive action to build a culture where these are not tolerated, and any occurrences are identified and tackled.

All very sensible. But then it goes on to say:

75. Sexual orientation and gender identity should be explored at a timely point and in a clear, sensitive and respectful manner.

Isn't there a contradiction here? Gender stereotypes will not be tolerated, but 'gender identity', which is just gender stereotypes, must be explored respectfully.

I really do think people are making out that children are going to be told extreme things when in reality they won't be.

Have you seen the Mermaids training? I agree it is hard to believe it is happening but unfortunately batshit as it is, it is already in schools. If lobby groups like Mermaids, Allsorts etc are able to influence this mandatory training, they will.

Isn't there a contradiction here? Gender stereotypes will not be tolerated, but 'gender identity', which is just gender stereotypes, must be explored respectfully.

Yes! This is a good thread to pull to unravel the illogic and cod science of some takes on this.

Schools are massively stretched and many do not have time and energy for pushing back in a complex area. Many of them will just go along with what government tells them to do and if that is to pretend trans ideology is the same as a sexual orientation then the schools will do that.

It is not the choice of words that concerns me, it is the whole idea of teaching children about something that is not evidence based, reasearched, agreed on and currently not free to be discussed openly

Well my children have RS lessons. That's not evidence based either. They are not at faith schools and teachers seem to do just fine.

Oscar I can't actually imagine a school I would trust about everything all of the time but by and large I'm happy with DD's school thus far - and don't actually have a whole lot of choice about what school she goes to! I worry that in their desire to be inclusive they might miss the impact on girls, in particular. I think that's a valid concern with all schools.

I hope I am wrong.

Oscar are they taught that religion = fact?