Parents try to stop children being taught about trans relationships

[julie333]

As far as I know, parents will no longer be allowed to take their children out of Sex Education from 2020.

The subject was debated in the Halls of Westminster yesterday (25 February).

Whatever parents' opinions may be about trangenderism, I do think ultimately it´s the parents who decide what their children should be taught about this matter and not the State.

"The UK Conservative government is set to announce plans for the introduction of lessons on homosexuality and transgenderism for primary school students, despite an official petition against the move, signed by over 100,000.

The Sunday Times reports that the new curriculum has been finalized after a six-month consultation with the Department of Education, and will be rolled out across UK schools starting from the 2020-21 educational year.

It will be taught to pupils from the age of five, and it will be illegal for parents to take their children out of the classroom for the lessons in secondary school, meaning that at least a term’s worth of sex education classes – and likely far more – will be attended by each student."

If you wis to sign the petition against compulsory Sex Education,then here is the link:

Give parents the right to opt their child out of Relationship and Sex Education

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235053

Sorry, my post is equally about gay people and trans people. If you believe trans people exist (maybe this is your sticking point) then they have every right to be mentioned when teaching about love, sex and relationships. As someone above said, the kids aren’t being given a lesson on how to be gay or trans, they are being taught that some people are gay and trans and are just as valid as straight people.

This article discusses Dr Katherine Sarah Godfrey-Fawcett's background and motivations (she's the author of of the petition).

She's seems to be deliberately conflating education about same sex relationships/gay orientation with 'trans issues', I presume because she's switched on enough to recognise that this will, in the current climate, give the petition some traction.

medium.com/@leahjewett/the-vocal-minority-turns-up-the-volume-on-protesting-sex-education-888e01f908c

Morskie, is it acceptable to you that some people change gender and do have relationships and sex? You being offended by people doesn’t mean they shouldn’t exist.

How do you define trans?

The Stonewall definition os an eye opener:

^^An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.^^

The issue is not in accepting that people with gender dysphoria exist, but the idea that if a child does not fit into a neat gender stereotype they are 'in the wrong body'. Far better that kids are taught that it is OK for girls to play football and want to be engineers.

Auntiepatricia Morskie, is it acceptable to you that some people change gender and do have relationships and sex? You being offended by people doesn’t mean they shouldn’t exist.

You are putting an awful lot of new words in Morkie's mouth

They said humans cannot change sex. That's right. They cannot. You are either male or female. It WOULD be completely wrong and entirely irresponsible to tell children humans can switch from one to the other.

What you wear, what you call yourself, how you style your body - all completely up to the person. That is gender. AKA sex stereotypes. Change that every day of the week if you want. Nobody cares.

I have no idea how you leapt to the conclusion that Morkie's statement was anything whatsoever to do with them randomly taking offence (at what?); having sex (er?); or (even weirder) denying they exist. You plucked all that out of thin air yourself.

Wasn't there a thread on this yesterday. I won't be signing. Very happy for my kids to have these talks.

They arent deciding themselves though are they.

Perfectly normal childhood behaviour is seen as a "symptom" of something and the whole world is being forced to collude.

This has no place In schools who should be smashing stereotypes and encouraging children to do whatever they want to do. Not ingraining them into school life by telling children that anyone who likes short hair, hates dresses and wants to play rugby is a boy.

And that's before the massive safeguarding breaches and complete disregard for privacy and dignity and fairness .

there is nothing OK about sending children down a route of lifelong medication and surgical mutilation.

I also believe that if we looked into things enough, we would see that given the horrific stats of sexual harassment and abuse experienced by school girls as young as 6 , we might just twig that it's no wonder we have this sudden massive increase in girls identifying as boys.

Indeed. There is very little attempt to properly look at these children and address what the real issue is. They are being shamefully failed.

AuntiePatricia, I am not offended by anyone, in fact I am very happy for everyone to dress how they like and love who they love. But it is NOT possible to change sex and this is what is being pedaled by the likes of Mermaids. I do NOT want that message given to my child at school.

why was my post deleted, @MNHQ?

Jesus, I really need to start screenshotting everything I post.

Do Google Dr Katherine Sarah Godfrey-Fawcett (the author of the petition).

Also, the petition map showing the spread of signatures throughout the country is interesting.

Indeed. There is very little attempt to properly look at these children and address what therealissue is. They are being shamefully failed

Thousands upon thousands will complain to Tesco about a price increase or a dodgy deal. As they hate the idea of these large businesses ripping people off and making so much money out of them.

And yet people will sit in an audience and actively participate in talks where a dr or therapist or so called " expert" will stand in front of these same hundreds if people and tell them that a baby who un poppers hos baby grow is making himself a dress and that's a gender message we should listen to. And people will spend hundreds on affirming that . And of course make hundreds of thousands of pounds for pharmaceutical companies and private clinics etc and they are ok with that.

God I couldn't keep clothes or hair clips on my kids... a message it was not.

christinarossetti19

Are you saying that someone who normally has very different political views from you is always wrong? And that therefore you develop your own thinking in order to ensure you always take an opposite view?

Yes there are socially conservative communities who disagree with homosexuality, often for religious reasons. And almost everyone on this board will disagree.

But trans is different. Utterly and completely different.

No child, ever, should be given effectively experimental hormones before they have the ability to properly understand and consent.

And the rest of it...Mermaids, the lack of safeguarding protection, the sex stereotyping, the effective homophobia, is almost as unsavoury.

No doubt some parents will trill about their child being trans, and how accepting they are. Indeed I know someone doing that right now. (I also know someone who is worried sick as their child watches YouTube influencers and buys hormones on the internet.) But no, no, no. There is no science, no research. It is very frightening indeed.

Parents need to be able to control what their child watches on the internet. But equally on this one, needs to be very careful about who is talking to them in schools.

"The prevalence of suicide attempts among respondents to the National Transgender Discrimination Survey (NTDS), conducted by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and National Center for Transgender Equality, is 41 percent, which vastly exceeds the 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population who report a lifetime suicide attempt, and is also higher than the 10-20 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual adults who report ever attempting suicide.

Much remains to be learned about underlying factors and which groups within the diverse population of transgender and gender non-conforming people are most at risk.In the present study, we sought to increase understanding of suicidal behavior among transgender and gender non-conforming people through an in-depth analysis of NTDS data.

The specific aims of our analysis were to identify the key characteristics and experiences associated with lifetime suicide attempts in the NTDS sample as a whole, and to examine how lifetime suicide attempts vary among different groups of transgender and gender non-conforming people. Key findings of this report include the following ....

Sourced originally from Wikipedia

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20171008072751/williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20171008072751/williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

Ahhh dear Wiki:

fairplayforwomen.com/suicide/

"Every parent faced with a child claiming they think they are transgender will have heard the terrifying statistics about high suicide rates when transgender children are not supported in their preferred gender identity. It is frequently mentioned in news reports covering transgender issues and is often a strong emotional motivator for parents to support their child’s wish to transition. It is suggested that ‘affirmation’ and social and medical transition is the only answer to help children with gender dysphoria.

However, is this really true? Is there strong evidence to support this widely held view? We strongly believe that the answer is no.

Although there is no doubt that children and young people suffering gender dysphoria are an extremely vulnerable group deserving of our support and care, the oft-quoted suicide statistics are from surveys which are not robust and there is no evidence that transition is a ‘cure.’

Any risk of suicide is terrifying for parents, every suicide is an awful tragedy and for this reason we feel that exaggerating the risk and constantly using the threat of suicide is extremely unhelpful and irresponsible. We have attempted to sort out the actual facts of this emotive subject, and we present our findings here"

Then follows a lot of debunking.

I think FPfW actually got a major national newspaper to revoke some silly scare-mongering statistics. Seriously the argument that kids should undergo major medical interventions because otherwise they might die, is very irresponsible indeed.

@ Needmoresleep.

You said "Aaah Dear Wiki" to debunk my comment!

Forget Wikipedia then and forget MSM.

Do some research into the matter from pediatrics.

Accepted July 10, 2018.

Copyright © 2018 by the American Academy of Pediatrics

OBJECTIVES: Our primary objective was to examine prevalence rates of suicide behavior across 6 gender identity groups: female; male; transgender, male to female; transgender, female to male; transgender, not exclusively male or female; and questioning. Our secondary objective was to examine variability in the associations between key sociodemographic characteristics and suicide behavior across gender identity groups.

METHODS: Data from the Profiles of Student Life: Attitudes and Behaviors survey (N = 120 617 adolescents; ages 11–19 years) were used to achieve our objectives. Data were collected over a 36-month period: June 2012 to May 2015. A dichotomized self-reported lifetime suicide attempts (never versus ever) measure was used. Prevalence statistics were compared across gender identity groups, as were the associations between sociodemographic characteristics (ie, age, parents’ highest level of education, urbanicity, sexual orientation, and race and/or ethnicity) and suicide behavior.

RESULTS: Nearly 14% of adolescents reported a previous suicide attempt; disparities by gender identity in suicide attempts were found. Female to male adolescents reported the highest rate of attempted suicide (50.8%), followed by adolescents who identified as not exclusively male or female (41.8%), male to female adolescents (29.9%), questioning adolescents (27.9%), female adolescents (17.6%), and male adolescents (9.8%). Identifying as nonheterosexual exacerbated the risk for all adolescents except for those who did not exclusively identify as male or female (ie, nonbinary). For transgender adolescents, no other sociodemographic characteristic was associated with suicide attempts.

CONCLUSIONS: Suicide prevention efforts can be enhanced by attending to variability within transgender populations, particularly the heightened risk for female to male and nonbinary transgender adolescents.

My experience is mainly of dementia, which my mother suffers from and where the American approach is far more medicalised than in the UK. The same applies to childbirth and, it appears, to gender dsyphoria.

British NHS specialists suggest that if a watchful waiting approach is used the vast majority of children will grow out of their dysphoria. However is given life altering hormones they wont.

This is worth a read.

www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l245/rr-1

Honestly I think the most revolting thing I have ever seen on the internet is Susie Green, founder of Mermaids, and someone who organised for her child to be castrated on their 16th birthday, giggling about how small the penis was following puberty blockers from a young age. Watch it. Really. It is very shocking. There is no way on earth I could allow any child of mine to be "educated" by her organisation.

Parents must be allowed to decide.

I'm unclear on what gender identity has to do with sex education or sexual orientation or relationship education. Surely it's a seperate issue?

Of course it's a separate issue. It's a complete red herring to lump it in with being gay ,it's been done to push it through more easily.

Have signed. I'm appalled that the trans cult have been allowed to get this far.

Needmoresleep. Um, no. I haven't mentioned my political views, have I?

I've suggested that people look for themselves at who is driving this petition and what their background and motives are.

You know, what is actually happening, rather than throwing out the whole need for children to be taught about their bodies and sexuality with the trans bathwater so to speak.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47282724