Parents try to stop children being taught about trans relationships

[julie333]

As far as I know, parents will no longer be allowed to take their children out of Sex Education from 2020.

The subject was debated in the Halls of Westminster yesterday (25 February).

Whatever parents' opinions may be about trangenderism, I do think ultimately it´s the parents who decide what their children should be taught about this matter and not the State.

"The UK Conservative government is set to announce plans for the introduction of lessons on homosexuality and transgenderism for primary school students, despite an official petition against the move, signed by over 100,000.

The Sunday Times reports that the new curriculum has been finalized after a six-month consultation with the Department of Education, and will be rolled out across UK schools starting from the 2020-21 educational year.

It will be taught to pupils from the age of five, and it will be illegal for parents to take their children out of the classroom for the lessons in secondary school, meaning that at least a term’s worth of sex education classes – and likely far more – will be attended by each student."

If you wis to sign the petition against compulsory Sex Education,then here is the link:

Give parents the right to opt their child out of Relationship and Sex Education

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235053

HandsOffMyRights please keep sharing stuff like this. Too many parents are in la la land. They have absolutely no idea what is happening

Thanks Rafferty. It's a real eye opener.

A horrific one HandsOff

As I mentioned before, I'm so glad my DD is not in the school system now. She would be SO vulnerable.

There are some kids who aren't taught anything about sex and sexuality by their parents - that's why it's a good thing.

I'm not sure if trans issues are relevant, homosexuality definitely is relevant. There is an element of jumping on a popular bandwagon to this agenda that I'm not comfortable with. However, my kids are all grown up and we discuss all of this stuff. We have a family member transitioning.

Who is objecting to children learning about sex and sexuality?

Who is objecting to children learning about sex and sexuality?

Nobody is, but it is an easy way for people to then derail by twisting words and then claiming that you are a bigot etc. Tale as old as time when it comes to this issue.

Rafferty no-one on this thread, but there have been parent-led protests outside a Birmingham school because children were being taught about same sex relationships (from story books) by a gay teacher, and there's a petition started by Dr Kate Godfrey-Fawcett championing 'parents' rights to decide what their child learns when and from who etc'.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47282724

and this petition petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235053 started by Dr Kate Godfrey-Fawcett and gathering momentum amongst conservative religious groups, homophobes etc

RaffertyFair

I dont' think you are being goady.

I'm very confident that schools are not going to say to my daughter 'is that a football you are playing with, you must be a boy so go and have a sex change' like a pp said was happening in her child's school. It's just not going to be like that.

Both of my children know that some people are transgender. They know that the vast majority of people are born and are perfectly happy with how they are. They know that some are not. I trust my child's school and my children. Schools will be sensible, just wait and see, I will be right.

If ever my daughter is told that because she plays football, she must be a boy, I will definitely have a problem with that but I firmly believe it will not be taught like that.

I really don't know what else to say.

What do you actually think children are going to be taught? What actual words do you think will be said?

Thanks.
We can't let the debate be derailed.

Oscar but the only way anyone can identify as trans is via sex role stereotypes. How have you explained trans to your children thus far?

Thank you!

How will you explain the difference between men and women to your children

Thinking about it, I don't think I've ever had a conversation that's been 'a man is this and a woman is that.'

Obviously at some point children notice their bodies are different depending on whether they are boy or girl. They understand that a small number of people do not feel content being a man or woman. For that group of people they are happy to call them whatever they prefer to be called.

They are aware that there are some people on YouTube etc that are 'encouraging' kids to be transgender if they don't fit stereotypes. They know to treat anything on the Internet with caution.

Oscar do you children know the facts of life (sorry, I might have missed where you mentioned their ages). Surely they must know what makes a man a man and a woman a woman? They know who provides the seed and who the egg?

Not being content being a man doesn't make someone a woman.

RiverTam

Yes. I have a teen and a tween and know about sex.

Not being content being a man doesn't make someone a woman.

I'm well aware of the debates around this. I know someone who was born male and transitioned to female. We're happy to call her a woman. You may not be. My children know you can't change chromosomes but nature does get 'mixed up' occasionally.

nature does get 'mixed up' occasionally.

I thought that about 4 or 5 years ago. Then I REALLY thought about it, and the scales fell.

Nature does ineed mix things up biologically (extra X chromosome, hole in the heart, Downs' syndrome etc) - these are measurable.

But nature doesn't mix up how you feel about your body - society does that.

We're happy to call her a woman. You may not be.

well, that's one of the issues in schools. Children and adults not happy to call a boy a girl may well be told that they have to call that person what they want, regardless of their own beliefs (and of course all of this is about belief - not fact). But, as the recent Christian bakery case showed, that is not lawful to force others to express beliefs they do not hold.

But people, children and adults, are being told they have to. I have witnessed this in my old workplace. It was horrifying.

and no, nature doesn't get mixed up. That sounds like you are conflating intersex with trans when they are not the same thing, not remotely related and intersex groups have repeatedly asked for their conditions not to be mixed up in this debate.

Thanks for raising awareness of this OP.

It's the conflation of gay and trans that I object to. They are not the same.

Agreed. And it is not homophobic.

So the schools are teaching that gay people and trans people are the same thing? Or are they teaching that there are straight people, gay people and trans people who all are equally human and have relationships and sex etc.

People seem to be insisting on pitting gay vs trans on this thread for their own agenda, when the discussion and education piece is about human relationships.

Signed. I'm not having my children fed this aggressive trans agenda

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/3505248-who-should-educate-your-child-state-or-you

Having chatted to the trans person I know, I'm happy with my views. I suppose it's just one of those things where people think differently.

Like I say, wait and see. Schools will be sensible, that I'm sure of.