Parents try to stop children being taught about trans relationships

[julie333]

As far as I know, parents will no longer be allowed to take their children out of Sex Education from 2020.

The subject was debated in the Halls of Westminster yesterday (25 February).

Whatever parents' opinions may be about trangenderism, I do think ultimately it´s the parents who decide what their children should be taught about this matter and not the State.

"The UK Conservative government is set to announce plans for the introduction of lessons on homosexuality and transgenderism for primary school students, despite an official petition against the move, signed by over 100,000.

The Sunday Times reports that the new curriculum has been finalized after a six-month consultation with the Department of Education, and will be rolled out across UK schools starting from the 2020-21 educational year.

It will be taught to pupils from the age of five, and it will be illegal for parents to take their children out of the classroom for the lessons in secondary school, meaning that at least a term’s worth of sex education classes – and likely far more – will be attended by each student."

If you wis to sign the petition against compulsory Sex Education,then here is the link:

Give parents the right to opt their child out of Relationship and Sex Education

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235053

And that's your perogative Oscar.

prerogative

HandsOffMyRights

Is your child still at the school?

Oscar, I suggest you actually google for Allsorts/Mermaids/Stonewall training material.

These are major diversity training providers in schools, yet the latter two are active transgender lobby organisations. There has been a number of critical articles about Mermaids in the Times, though behind a paywall. However this is an example from the Mail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6426961/Fashionable-Brighton-school-40-children-not-identify-sex-birth.html

It is that bad, and it appears that individual teachers feel unable to speak out for fear of being labelled ‘transphobic’. Presumably why quite a lot of the opposition is being led by conservative religious groups. However all parents should be alert to the issue and asking questions.

Needmoresleep

I'm aware of those organisations. I'm yet to come across a school that tells a boy playing with a doll that they are a girl like
HandsOffMyRights says her children's school has.

But someone did a recording of a Mermaids training session which was later reported in the Times that said more or less that. And this was a training session for adults.

And this was a training session for adults.

I said I had t come across a school where a boy was told that he was a girl for playing with a doll and needed to change sex as
Op stated was happening at her child's school.

*hadn't

Pp not Op

Here you go

tradfem.wordpress.com/2018/12/24/compte-rendu-dune-session-de-formation-de-futures-enseignantes-britanniques-par-lorganisation-mermaids-inc/

Apparently pink or blue jelly babies in your brain helps define your gender identity.

The frightening thing is that organisations like this do lots of public sector training including police as well as schools.

Actually unbelievable. Though a pity if this pushes conservative groups to start campaigning against the majority of the proposed syllabus that sounds fine.

I've seen teenagers being taught that there are 72 genders.

Needmoresleep

But I still havnt come across a school where a boy was told that he was a girl for playing with a doll and needed to change sex as
Op stated was happening at her child's school. Lots of teachers in our family and friends, also a headteacher, there's no way they would tell a boy he needed to change sex because he played with a doll. It's just not happening.

Part of the new sex and relationship curriculum will talk to children about trans issues, that will not be telling a boy that he is a girl because he plays with a doll. It's just bs.

I've seen teenagers being taught that there are 72 genders

Yes, my son was made aware of this in Year 9. That's very different to telling him that he's a girl if he plays with a doll.

If they want to teach trans stuff, they should be teaching it as part of the religious curriculum. Nothing to do with sex education; it’s religious dogma

Oscar, but that is exactly the issue. Younger kids are believing they are the wrong sex because they want to play with dolls. The Mail article describes a TG group for primary aged children.

Your teacher relatives may not have witnessed this, but that does not mean that the pp is lying. There are plenty of ex apples given by unhappy teachers on similar threads on other boards. And given the sensitivity, it is verging on rude to demand she divulges the name of the school.

Can we assume you would be content for your primary aged child to be given Mermaids/ Allorts training or training materials? If so fine, but I hope you can understand why others, including but not exclusively religious groups, are not. Or would at least want to know more about what will be taught. Especially given that so many parents struggle with the concept of gender identity trumping birth sex for all but a minute minority.

Again, I've never heard of a primary school teaching kids they are the wrong sex.

I would not be happy with a boy being told he needed a sex change if he played with a doll. The new curriculum is not going to say that. I am happy for my children to learn that some people are trans. I am happy for a trans man to be called a man and a trans woman to be called a woman if they want to be. I'm happy for my children to be taught that. I'm also happy for my children to be taught tolerance.

How will you explain the difference between men and women to your children Oscar? I mean, they will have picked this up for themselves but you are going to tell them that despite their instincts and the visual evidence, if a male human says they are a woman then they are a woman?

“CallMeSirShotsFired

Will do. Do you mean underestimating?

No, I meant overestimating - where you said you were sure it'd be age appropriate and well-informed etc.”

Got you: wrong end of the stick. That’s the trouble with written rather than face to face.

This from Allsorts (Brighton and Hove) training to schools. Advised by Mermaids. This training pack for (secondary?) schools is the model for other packs used by LEAs across the country.

Sorry, the image has double posted.

There is another thread currently running on this subject which may also be of interest to those of you wanting to know more, including posts by a school governor etc:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3516346-Compulsory-trans-lessons-in-primary-schools-what-will-this-involve

OscarIsaacsEyes I've been trying to think of a way of challenging what you wrote without being accused of being goady and bigotted. So I'll try this.

Imagine that suddenly, a tiny, but very influential group of people convinced the powers that be, that ghosts were real. They believed that spirits / souls existed after death and could be communicated with. They gave anecdotal accounts as evidence and offered pseudoscience as proof.

Imagine that you were reading guidance that said schools would now be teaching children (in an age appropriate way) about ghosts. They would be watching "Brtains Most Haunted" as a documentary and that Theresa Caputo (Long Island Medium) would be their specialist adviser. Literature and films about ghosts would be used to reinforce this belief.

Imagine that if you tried to question the "science" behind this belief in ghosts you were acccused of bigottry?

Now, I know there are people that do believe in ghosts. And others believe in the continued existence of the "spirit" after death but not in ghosts. I respect their right to their own beliefs. But other people (like me) do not believe any of that.

I would not tolerate my children being taught those beliefs in school, nor would I tolerate having my right to debate and challenge a belief in ghosts removed by the group of believers.

And as a teacher I would not tolerate being instructed to teach something that has no objective body of research behind it or to refer to.

Those Mermaids scenarios are outrageous.

Oh and the guidance also says that if a child gives an account of experiencing anything that could be described as 'paranormal', then the only course of action is accept that account and reinforce that account. Do not offer alternative explanations, do not be neutral or merely interested - you need to affirm that they have seen a ghost.

Charley, from the brilliant feminist Dr Victoria Smith:
"It's an absolute masterclass in telling girls not to trust their instincts and to always accommodate rather than risk making others uncomfortable. It's the opposite of consent lessons."