Was anyone at the Palestine march in Glasgow today?

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It wasn't even on the main news

Of course there are Arabs living in Israel! You do know that Arabs can be Jew, Christian or Muslim don't you?! And that Arabs were on that land that has been claimed by Israel for centuries?

What your post doesnt state is that whilst Arabs may live in Israeli territory, those that are not Jewish are living under a system of apartheid even outside of Gaza. They do not have the same rights as Jews. That includes Christian Arabs who are also routinely harassed by Isreal and killed.

Your comment about no Jews in Gaza shows your ignorance, there are no Jews in Gaza because it is literally an open air prison totally controlled by Israel!

There's some real ignorance on this thread as well as a lack of humanity from some posters even towards innocent Palestinian children. This lack of humanity is evident daily in the media where Israelis are always "killed" whilst Palestinians have "died".

Protesting for a ceasefire to end the killing of all innocents, whatever their religion, and to highlight the suffering of all Palestinian people who have been occupied and oppressed for 75 years does not equate to supporting Hamas

Of course there are. Many, including Jewish people condemn the actions of the Israeli government. Just because they are wrong doesn't make Hamas right. They can both be wrong in actions and aims. Why aren't people in the UK marching for peace?

It's not about the Jewish people who are not murdering Palestinians. So if you're a Jewish person who is NOT murdering Palestinians then this protest was not about you. It's offering support to those who are being starved to death, who are being bombed, whose premature babies are going to die because they're being denied power. Our leaders are offering British support to Israel; those marching are suggesting that perhaps our support should also be going to the innocent Palestinian victims of the conflict.

Hamas are democratically elected by the people of Palestine and their aim is to rid the world of jews. Perhaps people don't realise this??

Yet another post by someone who doesn't have a clue about why the whole situation is as shitty as it is.

It has been explained so many times, but people still come out with these simplistic 'reasonable' suggestions.

Gaza, and the camps in Lebanon, are hell on earth. People are truly desperate - in a way that people leading normal lives cannot comprehend.

I’m not so sure about that.

I know Glasgow has its problems, but as a Glaswegian, I never thought we’d be in a situation where someone could freely shout on the streets of Glasgow:

“Don’t forgot where the Jews were in 1940. Ha! Don’t forget where the Jews were in 1940 and 1941. All in the camps”.

That was someone who was out to show to support to Palestine in Glasgow. No one challenged it. I’ve also seen videos of and heard about similar (or worse) at the marches over the world. It is shameful and terrifying in equal measure.

I am devasted about what has happened in Israel and what is happening in Gaza, but I will absolutely not march alongside people who hold those views.

@annabelindajane who said it’s ok? Israel has the full support of the richest nations behind them.

@icantchangetime you can still support Palestine and condemn Hamas. You can still support Israel and condemn their prime minister for carrying out genocide.

Peace for many seems to be that Palestinians should just quietly be accepting their current miserable existence. Accepting that they live in open air prisons with no freedom or that they have no rights at all and that they are less than everyone else.

Just accepting quietly that there homes have been stolen or will be stolen and there's nothing they can do about it. Accepting that their children may be murdered by the IDF accepting that they cannot move freely, cannot have access to food or fuel or water except at the whim of the Israeli government.

This seems to be what some posters mean by peace, Palestinians just accepting whatever is done to them quietly.

This is exactly what the marches are highlighted and fighting for. A ceasefire AND freedom and rights for Palestinians in the same way that Jews have them.

These people are refugees in their own country and people just seem to want them to accept that. Without justice, there will be no peace ever.

Ugh the hypocrisy , lack of empathy, compassion and whataboutery in this thread stinks. You people make me sick.

you can still support Palestine’s and condemn Hamas. You can still support Israel and condemn their PM for genocide.

@Littlebluetruck , you know as well as me for every idiot shouting hateful statements there would have been 100s of people disagreeing with them

@Littlebluetruck I really hope that chant was not meant in the way you seem to imply because then those people should have been arrested on the spot.

people in the free Palestine movement when they talk about the holocaust (especially the many Jewish people involved in it, including holocaust survivors) they remind the Jewish people what they suffered so as to trigger empathy for others who are suffering. that given the Jewish nation suffered persecution through many centuries, they will be more sympathetic to the needs of others. that's how I have heard it spoken about.

I never heard anything like that, nothing. Anyone shouting that would have been rooted out....

Exactly. The views in Glasgow today on that march were anti semitic and just awful. Don't any of you care about the massacre that occurred in Israel.....and again, how is Israel supposed to react to that? Hamas aren't able to be negotiated with, their aim is the anhilation of the entire Jewish people. Ironically, ordinary people in Gaza were far better off under Israeli rule, their lives were far better pre 2006.

My son was there and yes he is a Celtic supporter (as am I ) and no he does not support Hamas murdering Jewish people nor do I.

When people talk about the holocaust in this way, it is a form of holocaust denial through minimalism as it makes a false comparator and then diminishes the actual holocaust. There is no comparison. And the arrogance to tell people who suffered, in living memory, one of the worse genocides ever what they should learn from it....

When people talk about the holocaust in this way, it is a form of holocaust denial through minimalism as it makes a false comparator and then diminishes the actual holocaust. There is no comparison. And the arrogance to tell people who suffered, in living memory, one of the worse genocides ever what they should learn from it....

There are so many threads like this. But I’ve realised that many ‘non-Israel’ focused and Muslim posters try to take a balanced view, and despite their strong pro Palestinian stance, still understand and greatly sympathise with the Jewish population and express their horror at what hamas has done.

I have yet to see this from the pro Israel ‘side’. All I see is continued attacks and accusations of antisemitic behaviour. I find that deeply unhelpful.

This is very personal for many of us, but if we don’t at least try to understand each other, we are doomed.

Hamas knew EXACTLY what would happen as did their Iranian & Lebanese backers. Which is why they ordered their own citizens not to escape & why they embed themselves in civilian areas and buildings to use their own people as human shields, and bring up their children to believe in the glory of martyrdom.

No, it doesn't mean that the Palestinians should accept what has been done to them. It means that they shouldn't carry out mass atrocities. Besides Palestinians in the Gaza strip do not have their homes confiscated as Israel has no physical presence there. As for being an open air prison, perhaps you should ask the nation with which it has its biggest land border, Egypt, why it is doing this to its Muslim neighbours. Also why most Muslim countries formally and legally discriminate against descendants of Palestinian refugees still today?

@Thatisthewayaha there is no minimising. and the people saying it were holocaust survivors. I think you misunderstood my post.

I disagree. The vast majority of 'non-Israel’ focused and Muslim posters' seek to distort facts by drawing equivalence, for example, between what Hamas did and the hospital bombing when there is none. They use Jewish and Israeli history and sensibilities in a perverse and ahistorical manner to justify and advance their interests. And they also set the term of the debate so, for example, it isn't enough for me to express deep sadness and sympathy for Palestinians victims of the conflict - I need to accept their narrative that Israel is commuting genocide or whatever

I responded to what you said.

Thank you @Rabbitcar

This is exactly how i feel. But others seem to know better and tell me what i meant or what i think, even when I've written clearly what i believe. Its getting annoying, it wasn't what this thread was started for. I work in retail and seen the march outside and wanted to know more about it, but there was very little news coverage. I didn't realise all those people on the match, a few of them coming into the store afterwards, were all antisemitic and awful people. Who knew, eh? The ones i spoke to were lovely, families and decent folk. But according to lots here, they were all evil hamas supporters.

I agree.

One horror begets another horror.

The bombing should stop.

That is what people are marching for.