Was anyone at the Palestine march in Glasgow today?

[ssd]

It wasn't even on the main news

@MissyB1 I don't think Hamas want to compromise.
You cannot compromise with terrorists.
There's only one acceptable outcome for Hamas.

Other Middle Eastern countries like Iran who fund and train Hamas? Or like Qatar who host the Hamas leadership? Or Egypt who keep the Rafah Crossing closed? Or maybe Lebanon who allow Hezebollah to fire rockets at Israel from their territory on a daily basis?

Everyone has their price, the devil will be in the detail of the deal. Sometimes you have no alternative but to negiate with terrorists.

@MissyB1 what do you think Hamas will accept?

What is their price other than the destruction of Israel?

The Israeli government engages in negotiation & mediation with other ME countries and elsewhere all the time. They were in the middle of normalising relations with Saudi Arabia (muslim nation) when the 7 October attacked happened. Many observers believe this is precisely why the attack happened because Iran & Hamas don't want normalisation of Israel. They want it destroyed. How hard is it to understand that this is at the root of everything?!!

I'm yet to see an example of my bigotry and antisemitism as quoted here by posters who obviously know me better than i know myself. Posters even saying where i work and therefore going down the sectarianism route in Scotland, even though I never mentioned this. Calling celtic fans "flag waving morons"....... People telling me what i "meant" etc etc. It would be funny if it wasn't such a serious topic. MNHQ didn't delete my comments as they are antisemitic. Obviously.

Not antisemitic i meant.

Can't edit on my phone.

That mistake will make certain posters day

Two points- Hamas do negotiate and other middle eastern countries were involved! Hostages were released yesterday or the day before.

Also, the same was said about Irish terrorists before the peace process...

That was aimed at @winowin

@Ineedaholiday23 thank you.
Hope Hamas will negotiate.

Hopefully talks are going on behind the scenes that we don't know about yet 🤞

I've just became aware that the UK PM instructed a vote against a ceasefire to allow aid to enter!! It's a clip from PMQs and when asked about it he just talks about Hamas?! Absolutely disgusted.

I also saw a clip showing the family if the chief of Al Jazeera have been murdered by Israel Gov after the US asked him to 'tone down the reporting.'

So what are you saying, Israel deliberately killed the family of a journalist on the say so of the US government?

Errmm… might be best asking them?? Third parties need to facilitate communication and negotiation. There’s always a deal to be done, the question is can both sides stomach the deal? That’s the tricky bit making it acceptable to both, but it has to be done.

I support getting aid in, with appropriate monitoring and verification. But a ceasefire equates to terrorism winning.

That'll do it - hotline to Hamas - MissyB says 'a deal must be done'. What sort of deal can you do with an organisation that trains its fighters from childhood to believe that their role is to kill jews and 'life begins at death' i.e. not only don't fear death but welcome it. Leaders safely holed up in Qatar & elsewhere of course.

Aaah ok you think it best for Israel to continue with the genocide instead, let’s not even bother thinking about negotiations or finding any kind of resolution.

Oh and as you say Hamas leaders won’t be in Gaza anyway, so what’s the point of the bombing? Israel can’t “win” so it’s needless killing.

Israel is not committing genocide

@ssd tbh you and I both know there is no point in these circular conversations. People will believe what they want to believe. just a point for you and others who are actually interested (1) hamas was financed at the beginning by Israel in order to prevent PLO to be able to successfully govern but then hamas grew into what it is today... just as the taliban were financed by the US at their inception and abdul wahab najdi (the father of present day wahabism/salafism) was funded by the UK to finish off what was left of the Ottomans and build the disaster that is saudi arabia) (2) there is no hamas in the west bank, yet so many palestinians are killed there every year. (3) there was no hamas when the Oslo accords were signed and since then Israel has persistently gone against the terms of the accords and international law by building settlements and in many other ways. hamas only came to power in gaza because people have no life and are utterly desperate (this is a repeated pattern in history all over the world) and they thought any change is better than things staying the same and that was in 2006 - hamas has become far more dangerous and problematic since then. (3) there have been recent changes in law in Israel spearheaded by increasing power in the right such as Arab citizens effectively being deemed second class etc. (feel free to have a look at the legislature, too many to list here)

sadly so many innocent civilians died on 7 Oct as a result of the ticking time bomb that this region has been for 75+ years. and since then the people of gaza are dying in their thousands. to protect civilians, real peace needs to be established - with the presence of an international peace keeping force and proper establishment of the two state solution by external parties. People will automatically turn away from hamas if their lives improve. only with peace can we ensure nothing like Oct 7 or the decades horrors in the occupied territories are not repeated. of course the other alternative is Israel kills all Palestinians... but that will just lead to ww3.

incidentally not interested in any back and forths with the various individuals attacking the OP. it is completely OK for civilised adults to agree to disagree.

Protests about what's fair and right in another country when the west coast of Scotland can't sort out its own bigoted blight known by many as Scotlands shame. Its not Scotlands shame but very much a west of Scotland problem.

I've been on mn for ages. You seem to have a conspiracist frame of mind! Noone who is crticising your position is trying to shut down discussion - far from it. There are lotd of us who have tried to open it up, particularly asking the question, what should Israel do in response to people who violently rape, torture, behead, disembowel, burn alive and kidnap jews? To which we haven't had an answer, except variations on 'roll over'.

Israel are definitely committing genocide.

Nah, just people like you using it like this makes the term lose all meaning. Guess that matters less than hurting the wound of the Jewish state.