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Was anyone at the Palestine march in Glasgow today?

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ssd · 21/10/2023 22:16

It wasn't even on the main news

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Guiltyfeethavegotnorhythm0 · 22/10/2023 18:52

I think some are not understanding this scotsnet . For those who live in Scotland .

snickersandmarsandbounty · 22/10/2023 18:53

i cannot believe the condoning of the Israeli onslaught of innocent Palestinians imo they want to annihilate the Palestinian race and Hamas has provided them with the opportunity.

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 22/10/2023 18:56

Why do some posters find it impossible to feel for the innocent lives lost of both sides of this? Any support of Palestinians is met with accusations of antisemitism.

Wordsworse · 22/10/2023 18:59

@Guiltyfeethavegotnorhythm0

I know. Crazy.

Is there an Englishnet?

BigBoysDontCry · 22/10/2023 19:00

The problem is that Hammas would as easily kill their own or use them as a human shield in a way that Israel or most other countries would never do. Hammas have stated their objective is to wipe out Jews. They aren't in uniform, they hide in hospitals and amongst the civilians.

I feel as much compassion towards the innocent population on both sides, but it remains that if Hammas/Muslim terrorists organisations laid down their weapons there is likely to be peace. If Israel laid down their's they would be annihilated.

I have no idea what the solution is but I don't think the marches are it.

PaminaMozart · 22/10/2023 19:01

Dubonet · 22/10/2023 17:36

Nobody has said that they agree it was "ok" to murder anyone in the kibbutz or at a music festival ,but carpet bombing an entire population of innocrnt people in their homes,in hospitals and in churches across Gaza in retaliation isn't right.

It's genocide and I, like thousands of others were protesting in Glasgow against that.

This situation didn't start two weeks ago, many many innocent people have been murdered over the past 70 plus years the vast majority of them innocent Palestinian civilians.

There is no Hamas in the West Bank, what's the justification for the daily killing or imprisonment of Palestinians there? There is none.

I am sick of having to justify my support of innocent Palestinians by stating that I don't support Hamas.

Supporting innocent Palestinians, marching against the actions of Israel and the IDF, marching against genocide does not equate to supporting Hamas.

So much THIS ^

Gaza has been a prison for decades. Mostly innocent civilians and children imprisoned in the most horrible circumstances imaginable, with no way out and no future.

And now they face being massacred.

YearsofYears · 22/10/2023 19:05

Lookingatthesunset · 22/10/2023 18:28

I abhor terrorism wherever it comes from, and whoever is the target.

I wouldn't feel comfortable attending a rally in support of Palestinians because it would feel to me like I was dancing on the graves of the victims of Hamas.

It makes me feel really uncomfortable too. Particularly when anti-senitism is in the rise across Europe. Although I understand why people are marching and it's good that our government are aware that the atrocities are unacceptable.
I'd probably be more comfortable if it was a march that was purely calling for peace or if I knew for certain that UK Jewish people were okay with it.

GrumpyPanda · 22/10/2023 19:11

therealcookiemonster · 22/10/2023 16:58

@soddingspiderseason to support one doesn't negate the other. what about the Yemenis being butchered by the Saudis (using weapons sold by us) in their thousands? what about the thousands dead in the Afghanistan earthquake less than two weeks ago? what about the 5000 children dying every day simply due to starvation? I could go on.... my heart goes out to all those people... including the innocent Jewish people butchered by hamas. this doesn't mean the people dying in gaza do not deserve our support. this sort of whataboutery doesn't get us anywhere.

"Whataboutery" commonly denotes a completely separate matter being introduced to deflect debate. NOT bringing up events in direct line of causation to the ones you are decrying here - and the fact you address one and not the other is callous on the extreme. Acknowledging that does not mean condoning Bibi and his arsehole right-wing allies or even arguing that Israel's actions at present are strategically wise. But given Hamas' actions even the most peacenik administration possible would be faced with a tragic dilemma.

ssd · 22/10/2023 19:13

If people believe those that march to show support to Palestine are automatically anti-semitic and therefore support hammas...well i think this says more about them.

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PurpleChrayne · 22/10/2023 19:17

No I wasn't there, because I'm not a massive anti-Semite.

Wordsworse · 22/10/2023 19:18

Well as Hamas are the elected ‘government’ of Gaza and their avowed intent is to rid the world of Jews …..

Livinginanotherworld · 22/10/2023 19:20

Dubonet · 22/10/2023 17:36

Nobody has said that they agree it was "ok" to murder anyone in the kibbutz or at a music festival ,but carpet bombing an entire population of innocrnt people in their homes,in hospitals and in churches across Gaza in retaliation isn't right.

It's genocide and I, like thousands of others were protesting in Glasgow against that.

This situation didn't start two weeks ago, many many innocent people have been murdered over the past 70 plus years the vast majority of them innocent Palestinian civilians.

There is no Hamas in the West Bank, what's the justification for the daily killing or imprisonment of Palestinians there? There is none.

I am sick of having to justify my support of innocent Palestinians by stating that I don't support Hamas.

Supporting innocent Palestinians, marching against the actions of Israel and the IDF, marching against genocide does not equate to supporting Hamas.

100% this

ssd · 22/10/2023 19:20

Why won't posters actually read what others are saying? Whats wrong with people? No wonder the world is in the state its in🤦‍♀️

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Ineedaholiday23 · 22/10/2023 19:20

Really can't believe some of these comments.

I've been to Israel and The West Bank. Met lots of amazing people.

If I were to attend a Palestinian march , I'd be an anti- Semite?! Some Jewish people have attended them and I know Israelis who are against what their government is doing and want them out.

Flyingthroughtrees · 22/10/2023 19:28

GoldenHurst · 22/10/2023 17:41

When you were on the march did you give any thought to the innocent people murdered so savagely on 7th October by Hamas or the fate of the hostages?

Have you considered what it must be like being Jewish in the UK at the moment?
While you’re out marching, you’re contributing to making Jewish people feel less safe in this country.

The loss of life of innocent civilians on both sides is horrific.

This.

Its utterly disingenuous to pretend that this marches 'are just about showing support for innocent civilians'. If that were the case you would be on a vigil for both the Israeli civilians who were massacred and the Palestinian civilians. But you are not.

These marches are a deliberate and pointed turning your face away from the Jewish victims, who were deliberately tortured, raped, bound and burned alive and murdered, man, woman and child, turning your face away from that mere days after it happened, and turning your face to another group of people instead. The message is clear, that one group of people are not deserving of care or concern, no matter what brutality is committed against them. The callousness shown to the Jewish community to send this message to them immediately after the racist massacre, is utterly appalling. I am horrified by it. Its cruel, its callous. And if you can't see your inhumanity in attending those marches, if you genuinely think you are one of the good guys for going, then god have mercy on your soul.

Not the mention the fact that you will all well know that you will be standing shoulder to shoulder with active supporters of Hamas on these marches. As well as the fact that Hamas will take these marches as signs of support for them.

Those marches are an utter disgrace and shame on everyone who attended.

therealcookiemonster · 22/10/2023 19:31

@Ratlingbow by your logic, I can ask - what should the Palestinians do? they have been driven out of their homes and massacred and raped and tortured for 75+ years. but I won't, because I don't believe two wrongs make a right. hamas is wrong to brutalised civilians and so is the Israeli government and the settlers they arm. you can't condemn one and condone the other.

therealcookiemonster · 22/10/2023 19:32

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ssd · 22/10/2023 19:34

Well if thats your take on it @Flyingthroughtrees you are certainly entitled to your views but your wilful refusal to take posters at their word says more about you than it does about them. The only way any conflict is sorted is through sworn enemies actually listening to each other and respecting what each other says, even if it goes against the grain. You refusing to listen is part of the problem, actually I'd say its 99% of the problem.

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jolaylasofia · 22/10/2023 19:36

@soddingspiderseason is this a joke? a terrorisr group kill people so you think it's ok to bring down genocide??? and that number that you have spouted sure has grown without a shred of evidence

therealcookiemonster · 22/10/2023 19:36

@SharonEllis well Sharon... I can't read minds and I am not your stalker hence don't know where you are based. and many people do travel to attend vigils. you sound like you are having a bad day? maybe need a hot tea and a sit down?

Radyward · 22/10/2023 19:36

The israeli response is totally disproportionate.
Starving 2 million people isint a retaliation i can support. I do realise Israel needed to retaliate but when will it cease. Until they raze every builiding and kill 2 million people??
Fgs its crazy .
Crazy also is Biden and Sunak supporting war crimes and von der leyen .
Where is the humanity on both sides
I denounce Hamas and The IDF .
Is this not all about really Iran and their support of Hezbollah and their gaining power in the Mid east - America only need an excuse to go in. Poor innocent israeli dead and dead palestinians for what ??

2chocolateoranges · 22/10/2023 19:39

No I wasn’t there, glad it wasn’t in the media. Why should we just be supporting innocent Palestinian people, what about the innocent people from Israel. There are huge faults on both side.

all the innocent people need support .

therealcookiemonster · 22/10/2023 19:44

@GoldenHurst can I ask do you think all the Jewish people at the protests were also scared of the march?

you have a 100%valid point re the rise of antisemitism. personally I think antisemitism has always been lurking in the background, people who normally may hide it probably think its open season now, the bastards. but if you actually attend the marches you will find the reality is very different to what is being reported. I have a few friends who went and said it was a lovely family friendly atmosphere. obviously if you haven't researched your history and think that Israel wad built on empty land and that Palestinians are not brutalised every single day at an unimaginable scale, then I can understand why you would have a negative reaction to the marches.

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Viviennemary · 22/10/2023 19:46

It's not a question of who shouts the loudest. But some would like it to be.

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