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Was anyone at the Palestine march in Glasgow today?

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ssd · 21/10/2023 22:16

It wasn't even on the main news

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therealcookiemonster · 22/10/2023 19:48

@BigBoysDontCry there is no hamas in the westbank. can you explain why multitides of Palestinians are shot there every year? (seventy since August this year) and why the Israeli government arms settler militias who then go and shoot Palestinians in cold blood (for example in the village of qusra recently)? this was also in the west bank.

Flyingthroughtrees · 22/10/2023 19:50

ssd · 22/10/2023 19:34

Well if thats your take on it @Flyingthroughtrees you are certainly entitled to your views but your wilful refusal to take posters at their word says more about you than it does about them. The only way any conflict is sorted is through sworn enemies actually listening to each other and respecting what each other says, even if it goes against the grain. You refusing to listen is part of the problem, actually I'd say its 99% of the problem.

What utter nonsense. When their is a chasm between what people say and what they do, you pay attention to what they are doing. That reveals what they really think.
And what going on these marches has revealed is that these people have so dehumanised Israelis that even when they are massacred, the 'right' response is to turn away from them and towards another group.

And trying to pretend my 'not listening' (even though I clearly have paid attention to what those protests are actually saying - I suggest you try listening to the hurt and pain they have caused many jewish people) is contributing to the violence in the ME is some reach. Going on the march and Hamas seeing that support, arguably may contributes to the ongoing conflict by giving a psychological boost to those Hamas murderers and rapists and torturers.

And on that, the reason why the conflict has not resolved is because Hamas won't listen to any peace negotiations as their sole goal is the total destruction of Israel. This massacre was a deliberate action to ensure their never is a peace process.

roarrfeckingroar · 22/10/2023 19:51

Fuck no.

therealcookiemonster · 22/10/2023 19:52

@Wordsworse awww someone is grumpy. dearie me. how sad. hope you have some cookies at home to cheer you up.

Wordsworse · 22/10/2023 19:52

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Marygoesround · 22/10/2023 19:54

I'm not sure why organised marches in the UK are for Palestine as opposed to marches for peace which are inclusive of all.

As a pp said, marches in support of Palestine are, perhaps unwittingly, showing support for Hamas and contributing to growing antisemitism in the UK.

I suspect many on these marches do not fully understand the situation. I'm not suggesting I do, it's incredibly complex. There is no right answer. Governments on both sides behave appallingly and should be condemned. People on both sides are victims. There is of course a huge power imbalance, people in the UK respond to that. Palestinians need a home but it doesn't mean we should support Hamas or Israeli atrocities in any way, shape or form.

Dubonet · 22/10/2023 19:56

There were Jewish protestors at the march in Glasgow and there are a significant number of Jewish people who do not agree with Israeli government policies, they are very clear that to them, Zionism is not the same as Judiasm.

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ssd · 22/10/2023 19:58

Flyingthroughtrees · 22/10/2023 19:50

What utter nonsense. When their is a chasm between what people say and what they do, you pay attention to what they are doing. That reveals what they really think.
And what going on these marches has revealed is that these people have so dehumanised Israelis that even when they are massacred, the 'right' response is to turn away from them and towards another group.

And trying to pretend my 'not listening' (even though I clearly have paid attention to what those protests are actually saying - I suggest you try listening to the hurt and pain they have caused many jewish people) is contributing to the violence in the ME is some reach. Going on the march and Hamas seeing that support, arguably may contributes to the ongoing conflict by giving a psychological boost to those Hamas murderers and rapists and torturers.

And on that, the reason why the conflict has not resolved is because Hamas won't listen to any peace negotiations as their sole goal is the total destruction of Israel. This massacre was a deliberate action to ensure their never is a peace process.

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'The reason the conflict has not resolved is because Hamas won't listen'

Don't you see this is exactly what i mean, saying one side won't listen when actually both sides aren't listening?

There's no use in discussing this with you if you think only one side isn't listening. I don't know if its naivety or arrogance. And i can't be bothered finding out.

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Flyingthroughtrees · 22/10/2023 20:00

The israeli response is totally disproportionate

What is a proportionate response then? Should they have gone into Palestine and mass raped women to the exact number Hamas did? Should they have gone and murdered babies? Should they have tied up children and then set them alight, alive? Tied up a parent to their child and then set them both alight, alive? Taken 200 hostages? Taken videos of their brutality and posted them online? Murdered a grandmother and posted photos of her body on her family's facebook page?

If they had done exactly what Hamas had done, would you say ' fair enough, that's proportionate?'

What is proportionate in responding to an enemy whose only goal is your total destruction? And who has acted with utter brutality to your citizens, man, woman and child, to show you that they hate you, regard you with utter inhumanity, will never accept a peaceful solution and only want your total elimination?

I neither condone nor condemn the Israeli government because I don't know what you do do in the face of that. And no-one else either. None of you do.

ilovebrie8 · 22/10/2023 20:06

What did Hamas expect was going to happen when they committed such atrocities they knew they would bring serious repercussions on their own….it’s all sickening on both sides.

Flyingthroughtrees · 22/10/2023 20:07

ssd · 22/10/2023 19:58

'The reason the conflict has not resolved is because Hamas won't listen'

Don't you see this is exactly what i mean, saying one side won't listen when actually both sides aren't listening?

There's no use in discussing this with you if you think only one side isn't listening. I don't know if its naivety or arrogance. And i can't be bothered finding out.

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Fascinating closing down response from someone who claims to value the worth of listening.

Why does it not surprise me that your actions don't marry with your professed values?

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ssd · 22/10/2023 20:10

Flyingthroughtrees · 22/10/2023 20:07

Fascinating closing down response from someone who claims to value the worth of listening.

Why does it not surprise me that your actions don't marry with your professed values?

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What actions?

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PumpkinBum3 · 22/10/2023 20:10

icantchangetime · 22/10/2023 17:35

No because I don't support terrorists

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Dubonet · 22/10/2023 20:10

Many people on these protests are well versed on the situation.

They know the history of the region, they understand that non-Jews are not equal in Israeli law and that the population in Gaza are living in an open air prison. They know that Palestinians including children are children are routinely killed or imprisoned without any hope of trial.

They know that in many Israeli eyes, especially in the government, that non-Jews are viewed as less than Jews.

They have seen the rhetoric of the Israeli government called Palestinians "animals"or Palestinian children "children of darkness".

I and many others can't sit back and do nothing whilst a genocide happens in front of our eyes in fear that supporting innocent Palestinians will be construed as supporting Hamas.

ForfarBridie · 22/10/2023 20:12

Janeb1965 · 21/10/2023 23:16

No, but I was at the one in Dundee

Hi, thank you so much for that.

Was there a good turnout?

MissyB1 · 22/10/2023 20:13

PurpleChrayne · 22/10/2023 19:17

No I wasn't there, because I'm not a massive anti-Semite.

So the Jewish people who have been joining these marches are anti semitic? Righty Ho 🙄

Fartughtyred · 22/10/2023 20:15

@Flyingthroughtrees
"Its utterly disingenuous to pretend that this marches 'are just about showing support for innocent civilians'. If that were the case you would be on a vigil for both the Israeli civilians who were massacred and the Palestinian civilians. But you are not.

These marches are a deliberate and pointed turning your face away from the Jewish victims, who were deliberately tortured, raped, bound and burned alive and murdered, man, woman and child, turning your face away from that mere days after it happened, and turning your face to another group of people instead. The message is clear, that one group of people are not deserving of care or concern, no matter what brutality is committed against them. The callousness shown to the Jewish community to send this message to them immediately after the racist massacre, is utterly appalling. I am horrified by it. Its cruel, its callous. And if you can't see your inhumanity in attending those marches, if you genuinely think you are one of the good guys for going, then god have mercy on your soul.

Not the mention the fact that you will all well know that you will be standing shoulder to shoulder with active supporters of Hamas on these marches. As well as the fact that Hamas will take these marches as signs of support for them.

Those marches are an utter disgrace and shame on everyone who attended"

Best comment I've seen, thank you. It is shameful, as is the level of ignorance about what is actually being supported on these marches.

Flyingthroughtrees · 22/10/2023 20:25

Dubonet · 22/10/2023 20:10

Many people on these protests are well versed on the situation.

They know the history of the region, they understand that non-Jews are not equal in Israeli law and that the population in Gaza are living in an open air prison. They know that Palestinians including children are children are routinely killed or imprisoned without any hope of trial.

They know that in many Israeli eyes, especially in the government, that non-Jews are viewed as less than Jews.

They have seen the rhetoric of the Israeli government called Palestinians "animals"or Palestinian children "children of darkness".

I and many others can't sit back and do nothing whilst a genocide happens in front of our eyes in fear that supporting innocent Palestinians will be construed as supporting Hamas.

You can, however, feel comfortable going on a march knowing that it will be construed as a complete lack of concern for murdered and raped Jewish men, women and children.

You do realise that there are many Arabs living in Israel but no Jews in Gaza as they would be murdered? You do know that Hamas would actually carry out a literal genocide of Jewish people if it could?

Your focus just on one side, to the extent that you turn away from the other even after a terrible massacre, is really revealing.

PumpkinBum3 · 22/10/2023 20:26

Fartughtyred · 22/10/2023 20:15

@Flyingthroughtrees
"Its utterly disingenuous to pretend that this marches 'are just about showing support for innocent civilians'. If that were the case you would be on a vigil for both the Israeli civilians who were massacred and the Palestinian civilians. But you are not.

These marches are a deliberate and pointed turning your face away from the Jewish victims, who were deliberately tortured, raped, bound and burned alive and murdered, man, woman and child, turning your face away from that mere days after it happened, and turning your face to another group of people instead. The message is clear, that one group of people are not deserving of care or concern, no matter what brutality is committed against them. The callousness shown to the Jewish community to send this message to them immediately after the racist massacre, is utterly appalling. I am horrified by it. Its cruel, its callous. And if you can't see your inhumanity in attending those marches, if you genuinely think you are one of the good guys for going, then god have mercy on your soul.

Not the mention the fact that you will all well know that you will be standing shoulder to shoulder with active supporters of Hamas on these marches. As well as the fact that Hamas will take these marches as signs of support for them.

Those marches are an utter disgrace and shame on everyone who attended"

Best comment I've seen, thank you. It is shameful, as is the level of ignorance about what is actually being supported on these marches.

Genuinely disturbing that people support these marches, never mind attend them.

Flyingthroughtrees · 22/10/2023 20:26

This is the sort of stuff you are turning your face away from

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/

Janeb1965 · 22/10/2023 20:27

I'd say between 300 and 350. It was open mike and some very passionate and strong speakers. I didn't know this beforehand (we were there on holiday) but Dundee has been twinned with Nablus for 40 years, so there is a very longstanding connection.

Thatisthewayaha · 22/10/2023 20:29
  1. these marches do not happen when Muslims kill Muslims - e.g. Syria and Saudi Arabia
  2. Israel is not carpet bombing or committing genocide or whatever other nonsense people sprout. Even Hamas is reporting that the death toll is 4,600. Of course, a death of an innocent person is terrible but
  3. Hamas declared war on Israel. You might say that there is a power imbalance between the two states but the elected and reasonably popular Government in Gaza has agency and when for 24 hours it held the power advantage, it choose to use that time and chose to commit mass atrocities.

People just want an excuse to blame and hate the Jews, as they have throughout history.

ilovebrie8 · 22/10/2023 20:34

@Flyingthroughtrees that is so disturbing 😞and beyond horrific. They are animals to do that …sickening doesn’t even come close. The Israeli’s have to act as Sunak said they are entitled to defend themselves it’s another level of depravity what Hamas have done.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 22/10/2023 20:45

I think most people understand there are innocent people on both sides of this painful and long running dispute. I don't think its right to just have a protest or march in support of one side. Thats the issue for me. because both leaderships are doing wrong and killing innocent civilians, so why is there a march for Palestine and not one for peace or for both? Hamas are democratically elected by the people of Palestine and their aim is to rid the world of jews. Perhaps people don't realise this??

Merrilydancing · 22/10/2023 20:47

A more powerful message would be a peace protest of support to both innocent Palestinians and Israeli people, condemning atrocities committed by both sides.

This would send a much clearer message to both the Israeli government and Hamas rather than something that can easily be misconstrued as support for Hamas and certainly will be used by Hamas as such.