Was anyone at the Palestine march in Glasgow today?

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It wasn't even on the main news

Are you denying that the Arab nations surrounding Israel declared war on it and tried to eradicate it? It seems so.

Iwantcakeeveryday-

What I am seeing, is the COMPLETE disregard for the lives of innocent Palestinians who are being slaughtered. What I see when I mention the multitude of war crimes being committed by the IDF is excuses and deflection (Israel has the right to defend itself! Hamas did such and such). It is absolutely abhorrent. Far more Palestinians have been killed by the IDF than those who have been killed by Hamas in October 7th. Far more Palestinians are being held hostage in administration detection, where they can be held without charge for up to a year. While there, they are often beaten, tortured and raped. Hundreds of these people are children. We have condemned the terrible attacks by Hamas and continue to so. What they did is absolutely depraved. It is now about time someone condemned the IDF.

Plenty support Israel they just aren't so hysterical about it - it's not our war - it shouldn't be played out on British streets, anyone supporting the death cult of Hamas or their supporters are supporting oppression - you only have to see how they treat women in these Arab countries - totally against British values. - just my opinion

I am most certainly not overlooking the suffering of anyone.

I do know that there will be no justice here for anyone. There never has been justice in conflict. There never will be.

All that can be done is rebuilding lives. I would imagine infrastructure would be an integral part of rebuilding a country that has been bombed. I also mentioned education, healthcare etc, that you conveniently missed out yet seem to have focused in on infrastructure for some odd reason.

Do you have any better ideas?

MrTiddlesTheCat- it wasn't the Palestinians, that's for sure. Look up the Nakba. In fact the UK has played a part in this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yKPayr11kFI&pp=ygUnQmJjIFRoZSBmb3Jnb3R0ZW4gaGlzdG9yeSBvZiBQYWxlc3RpbmUg

Also, I didn't fail to notice the scare quotes around aggressive apartheid. It is literally apartheid and is internationally recognised as such. It is also against international law. And it is extremely aggressive. Gaza strip is completely walled in now, for goodness sake. There is no way to escape the bombs.

Administration detention, not detection. Sorry for all the typos I miss. 😳

@Littlebluetruck im not focusing on infrastructure , just picked it out from something you mentioned on your post. Do I have an idea? Yes evacuate all women, babies, children and the vulnerable for a start. If this is “war” ad you claim and not infect a genocide then this would be the humane thing to do.

Do you mean Egypt should evacuate them?

Hamas has said once its killed every Jew in Israel its coming for the West .

Baffled1989-I very much agree with you once again. Also, the Palestinians must have the right to return home if the wish once this is all over. And end the apartheid as well.

annabelindajane-Hamas must be got rid of. There is no excuse for that, either

Okay, but my purely hypothetical post was based on the bombing of Gaza stopping immediately.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t agree with evacuating the women, children and vulnerable people from the area. Of course that should be happening.

I have seen people who have mentioned this though being accused of supporting “ethnic cleansing” and “giving Israel what it wants”.

And, of course it’s a war. When both sides are firing rockets at each other and killing each other’s children, it is most definitely a war.

Als, those who still believe that Israel is totally blameless in the all the wars it was in, I suggest you watch the entirety of this presentation by Miko Peled. It is the full video of the clip I posted earlier. It is VERY illuminating. I suggest you read his book, The General's Son, too. I will do the same. Also, wars with other countries is no excuse for the treatment of the Palestinians.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ&pp=ygUPTWlrbyBwZWxlZCAyMDEy

Also, not Als.

NOBODY HAS SAID ISRAEL OR THE IDF ARE BLAMELESS.

Why is it that people keep claiming something is being said that isn't? Stop it. The inability to listen and hear what others are actually saying rather than pursuing your own agenda is why wars start in the first place.

@Baffled1989 please stop accusing other posters of things they're not doing. @Littlebluetruck is not ignoring the suffering in Gaza at all, I don't know why you think they are. The focus in their posts is on what do we do now to rebuild and sort the mess? Your focus seems to be blaming and repeating the same thing over and over. Who do you think should be evacuating them and where do you think they should go and how do you think anyone can make sure they're not Hamas? You falsely think there is an easy solution and there isn't.

*The bombing needs to stop. Now. The bloodshed needs to stop. And I think the only way forward may be for some kind of international force to occupy Gaza and invest in infrastructure, education, healthcare etc with a focus on rooting out any violent movements that exist there. And Israel will need to deal with its settlers and ultimately back right off from any involvement in Gaza. We need to build a bright future for the children of Gaza and I can’t see how else it could be done.

Does anyone have any better ideas?*

I agree, an international force needs to occupy and control Gaza for some time, and we need to get rid of Hamas so that can happen. How they do it is beyond what I can understand, or anyone here.

Blame lies on both sides. Both sides suffer. Both sides deserve a home.

If that isnt carpet bombing i dont know what is

IDF said 400 bombs dropped on gaza in the last 24 hours

And yet all i read on here is that hamas want to obliterate Israel when the reality is Israel is obliterating Gaza

Iwantcakeeveryday
"NOBODY HAS SAID ISRAEL OR THE IDF ARE BLAMELESS"

Whatever, Iwantcakeeveryday. Israel still isn't the completely innocent state surrounded by enemies wanting to destroy it that some people believe. Israel played their part in instigating wars. You seriously need to watch the video I linked. Also, US tax dollars have helped fund the IDF since 1948. Israel has never been without powerful allies.

@annabelindajane did they aye?

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True. Hamas may want to obliterate Israel and all the Jews including my family members living there, but it doesn't have the power to do so. Israel has the 4th most powerful army in the world. It has the power, and it seems it also has the will, to obliterate Palestine/Palestinians.

It almost feels like Israel also has the wests backing to obliterate Palestine. That's one of the reasons for the march, to say we dont stand with sunak in his beliefs. We dont want Israel to win. We dont want anyone to win. We want people to be left alone to live in peace, all people, in both Israel and Palestine.

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You feel like Israel has got the backing to obliterate Palestine, because it does. Israel's allies also benefit from Israel. That's why they turn a blind eye to what has been happening over the years, including ignoring all the UN resolutions against it.

What does leaving people alone mean? Why do you think that will bring peace? All wars end in negotiation there is literally no other way. Hamas and its backers do not recognise Israels right to exist. They are terrorists running a dictatorship. Why do you think that if Israel announces a ceasefire Hamas will suddenly agree to peace? What is the mechanism for peace that you are proposing? This is the politics of the nursery, not real life.

It certainly seems to be the case that people have plenty to say until they are asked what a realistic solution looks like.