Referendum

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How do you think it will go? Appreciate its only just been announced but gut instinct?

Thank you @BinBandit

Knew someone would have the figures.

BTW, were you previously a different poster? PM me if you like.

Why is it always a binary option between union and independence-eu?

surely if the Scots want independence, they’d not want to shackle themselves to a conglomerate? Doesn’t make sense. 🤷‍♀️

so a once in a lifetime vote:

1. stick with the union and ride the waves
2. leave the union and join a bigger one
3. do it ourselves

the oil is a moot point given the environmental stuff. Cambo fields on lockdown - we’ll see how the great unwashed feel about that after a winter of electric bills given there must be a million here with no gas.

What gets me is they are more concerned about an indyref than helping the country with the cost of living crisis

Can I just point out that some people in Scotland did vote to leave the EU. I'm sure someone can provide the figure and I know it was a minority. However it is a minority which is constantly ignored by the "dragged out of the EU against our will" brigade.

And FYI I was a yes before as was willing to take a leap of faith but will be a no this time

What the hell is your point? The majority of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, we don't really care about the minority (idiots).

Fairisleflora
“For those English saying ‘let Scotland go’ the majority of Scotland don’t want to go. It would be nice if you recognised that“

not according to Sir John Curtis. Said on Today programme on Tuesday morning that it’s split right down the middle, 8 years on so opinion has shifted towards independence.

if the Brexit vote was good enough to leave Europe, should the majority in Scotland not be afforded the same right? (whichever way it goes: I hope Scotland remains in the political union fwiw)

www.statista.com/topics/3133/brexit-in-scotland/#topicHeader__wrapper
Actually 38% which is more than I thought.
Not sure I'm making a point other than that the population contains people with a mixture of views on a variety of topics. Also that a healthy democracy would acknowledge that mixture of views while respecting the decision of the majority - but the pressure for a second referendum and, indeed, your response would indicate that Scotland is possibly not a healthy democracy where non mainstream opinions are respected if not agreed with.

London also voted to remain.

It's either democracy or its not, Scotland didn't have a separate vote. I have to put up with an SNP government I didn't vote for, a Westminster government I didn't vote for etc etc. But that can be brushed over by those (less than 50%) who did. Scotland doesn't have a government that most people voted for.

Exactly this.
Some folk in Scotland need a reminder that ‘London’ (which does expand beyond Westminster and Leicester Square, btw) didn’t vote leave. No time for Grievance grumbling from them, they are working hard and paying their taxes…not as much tax as those in Scotland, because ‘free stuff’ to buy votes has to be paid for here.

Also, to the PP with your suggestion that if you don’t vote for independence you have to carry some guilt for the actions of Westminster. You’re peaking too soon, you have 18 months of talking this kind of shite until the pretendy referendum. Hold some shite back, because you’ll need it for when the Sturge heads off for her role in the EU or similar and you’re stuck with a sex pest or bully as FM, that you need to support.

It's worrying that 38 percent is such a minority to SNP voters to not be worthy of consideration.

And it's not about the right to emulate the brexit referendum, why on earth would you want to? Other than to win at any cost and the end justifying the means just like brexit tories.

Tbh, the SNP would be better going for a convincing win with a referendum on the deal too, rather than setting Scotland up for years more division.

I am afraid that the response to my previous post is sadly indicative of the quality of the argument from some pro- independence campaigners. I also have to say that the increasingly Orwellian tone of debate whereby if you express a different opinion you are dismissed as an "idiot" is one of the reasons I would no longer vote "Yes". I'd like to live in a country where opposing views are respected even if not agreed with.

@BinBandit Agree completely

Also nice to know that the SNP's "inclusiveness" really means "only people who agree with us in every way"

Well said . I feel as a country we are so lucky to have London which can generate
wealth which we all benefit from .

Snp has shot itself in foot now with price of oil. There’s 2 things that independence seekers seem to repeat . 1 : if you are against it you are an idiot .
2: Despite the appalling failings of the current Scottish Government they believe other parties will step up once independence is achieved and take us to the golden uplands .

I also believe there were SNP who voted to leave Eu too .

Yet for a lot of yes voters it does seem to be about the current party of government. Hatred of the Tories.

Yip. In Glasgow, less than half the electorate bothered voting at all.

This, always this.

A pro independence journalist from the Western Isles wrote in the Times that she couldn’t persuade the young there to vote for independence as they pointed out that if you’ve been brought up in the wilds of Scotland it’s a huge advantage to be able to move freely to London to work . Thought that was an interesting and telling point.

Have a read at this to those spouting that Scotland can't afford to be an independent country. England need us!!

macalbasite.wordpress.com/2018/10/11/irrefutable-evidence-its-not-scotland-thats-too-poor-to-be-independent-its-england/?fbclid=IwAR0QCJE3v8Su4ffFV0B6YNnEYZjzV6D3hIPrLK0BsXUe5X65GrxysiSR4ww

Eh nah, I'll take my info from the actual economists including those from the Scottish government who predict, as a minimum, it will be at least 20 years of austerity but more likely 50.

Scotgov can't balance the books as it stands as they spend more than they have.

Wake the feck up and give your head a shake and stop buying into the lies.

Could you provide your sources please? As you should

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/results-and-turnout-eu-referendum/eu-referendum-results-region-scotland
Makes interesting reading. Turnout overall was just under 68% and looking at Shetland the split was 56 to 44 % so not exactly the 90% of 90% turnout in favour of remaining that "being dragged out against our will" would suggest. I agree a majority voted to remain but clearly not everyone and I find it concerning that those people are effectively written off by the SNP as "idiots" who don't count. Who else doesn't count - oops I forgot .... Women

Uk is 5 th largest economy in World by GDP - ( McKinsey)

England without Scotland is still 5 th largest economy

Holy smokes @readsalotgirl63 - the stats for moray - a ball’s hair!