Referendum

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How do you think it will go? Appreciate its only just been announced but gut instinct?

NHS Lothian most definitely did not allow badge wearing, flag waving, openly racist views or political canvassing in the workplace during 2014 referendum.
In fact I don't imagine they do at anytime but staff were definitely made aware this was not allowed

Genuine question. I know Boris is a gobshite, but in practical terms what is it that he is affecting so much in Scotland that would be better under the SNP? They already have power over most of what affects daily life, health, education, policing, justice etc. They already have more to spend per person that in rUK. They have power over taxation too.

But they've proven categorically that they can't run the country and plan to rejoin the EU but they won't meet the criteria and if they did we would be a contributor for what benefit?

I won't be throwing the future of my children away so that morons can walk about with blue faces. So that will be my tax revenue gone and I won't be alone.

Ummm, who’s to say after independence that the party in charge isn’t the Tories? I seem to remember they performed pretty well in the election post the referendum. Or with independence do we also get a dictatorship?

Perfectly sums up my thoughts.

At the moment I plan to ignore it entirely. Far more important things happening.

Shame Nicola couldn't focus her attention on some of these things.

For those English saying ‘let Scotland go’ the majority of Scotland don’t want to go. It would be nice if you recognised that!

@BinBandit it's like Brexit all over again.

I remember listening to a radio phone-in leading up to the vote. A man from one of those areas in north of England that has swung to Tories because they wanted Brexit phoned in.
He banged on with all the sound bites about taking back control and being able to make our only decisions/ laws etc.

So presenter asked him what laws and changes he was particularly looking forward to being able to change. He couldn't come up with a single thing🤷🏼‍♀️

I was just pointing out that it was the Poster who was doing the grimacing mg and eye rolling, not having them done to her. Not sure why that needs reporting to HR but whatever.

Yeah fine, I just thought the other poster had misread the eye rolling and grimacing as being against you.

Here's your pint, now sit next to me 😁

Agree. Apparently we can fix the cost of living crisis here in Scotland using our own levers of government.

WHAT ARE THEY AND WHY AREN'T THEY BEING PULLED RIGHT NOW?

NS said something the other day along the lines of ' Scottish people deserve the right to a democratic vote'
Is that not what we had the first time around.....a seemingly once in a generation opportunity.

So the Scottish people did vote Nicola but you have chosen to ignore them as it doesn't suit your agenda.....

John Swinney on Radio 4 this morning saying if they don’t get to run the referendum and if a majority of Scottish seats at the next general election are won by the SNP, the SNP will start independence proceedings. Does that mean they will break Scotland away from the UK based on a fptp election? Crazy crazy!

The SNP would interpret me having a blue mug for my tea as a clear mandate for independence. They're bordering on psychotic.

It was the SNP who wanted to do that named child thing, effectively giving a total stranger authority and responsibility comparable to the parents. I know they scrapped it, but the fact that they considered this to be a good idea in the first place, would concern me if I was Scottish and considering my country's future. Especially when you add in their batshit views on self ID.
The nationalists are so busy blaming England for all their ills that they are not looking properly at what they will be signing up to instead.
Devolved governments actually have a lot of power over everyday life - I wouldn't be impressed by what the SNP have achieved so far. There is still a lot of poverty, drink and drugs issues, healthcare needs. But the govt is too busy with identity politics to fix these.

Can I join you guys

I’d get rid of holyrood personally, this shower if incompetent immoral in effective nincompoop costs me thousands in tax every year for as poor or worse outcomes than England has.

Don’t know but with Scottish ancestors, would be very sad to see it go.
can understand why the country would want to though. Brexit was a big mistake, huge.

I work in local government and remember one of our managers bursting into the office saying no sane person would vote No . There was a culture of intimidation in some many places last time but I think this time around No voters have a lot more confidence . I hate the assumption that if you aren’t for SNP you are a Tory I’ve voted left wing all my life but I despise the SNP but I refuse to get involved in arguments with people who vote for them as it’s just a waste of time .

Will the Scottish Government also give the Shetlands an independence vote on 19th October?

@SylviasMotherSaid I can tell you that as a Yes voter I had the same intimidating experience at work. Loads of employers threw their weight around trying to foist their opinions on them and no doubt it will happen again.

@RJnomore1 good thing you're not in charge then. Holyrood isn't going anywhere.

Exactly this. The Supreme Court will likely rule it illegal as the Scotland Act is pretty clear (whatever your opinion on whether it should be legal). So she’s setting up either the mother of all grievances or an ‘I tried my best’ defence for the inevitable failure to deliver a referendum next year. And then a vote for the SNP officially becomes a vote for Indy in the next election instead of just an unofficial one so it’s a great ploy to ensure votes at the next election in spite of an utterly shite record. This has no legal standing either so they still don’t get independence even if the SNP storms it, but it keeps the gravy bus going so it’s quite a clever political ploy.

Ah the levers - scot gov claims slashing corporation tax and borrowing more would help. But the UK can already borrow more at lower rates. And slashing corporation tax whilst being in the EU, Ireland have that sewn up. Low corporation tax puts the burden in individuals too. Scotland is already not drawing as much as expected from the income tax rises they made and already must make more, leaving aside indy costs.

But they don't have to be right, they just have to keep waffling about levers they don't have and how they will be Ireland and skate over the implications of low corp tax for income taxes, and that their near neighbour is already going this so they'd quickly be in a race to the bottom on that.

Completely bonkers and not legal at all on that case each area should only have 1 Union party seat standing as actually the combined vote is greater then the SNP vote in many places its just split 3 ways instead!

Do you think the global situation (war in Europe) will have any impact?

Seems to me the M.O. of the SNP leadership is to be in a state of perpetual struggle for independence.

If the referendum was legal , approved by UK government and the outcome was Yes, I’d expect we’d see the leaders of the SNP begin to step down citing their job was done, it was time for a new leadership for the new era.

Should there then be a real struggle to enact independence, possibly how to finance it, those who have departed will feel no responsibility for the mess.

I don’t trust that the motives for independence are anything but a long lived red herring to mask real short term issues of governing.

And the EU won’t admit them if they have Irish corporation tax rates. The EU take a dim view of the fact that Ireland is a tax haven but can do nothing about it due to the long standing nature of Irish membership. They will certainly ensure all new members have corporation tax rates that are deemed fair internationally.