SNP stance on pensions

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The SNP - in all of its past independence propositions - have been wildly optimistic, but with their latest stance on pensions they have moved to actually gaslighting their supporters. I just cannot comprehend it.

In 2014 the independence white paper stated that after independence, Indy Scotland would pay Scottish pensions. They seem to now be saying that following independence the rest of the UK (I.e. England, Wales and Northern Ireland) will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions, which is just not at all true. Never has been, never will be. I find it just unfathomable. Trying to actually gaslight the electorate???

Are these the pensions which are also going to be double what’s paid now? 🤣

Actually. I think the scariest thing is that Blackford et al just simply don’t understand how these financial things work.

People on Twitter saying “but other expats get their pensions paid by the UK”, rather missing the point of being independent.

I actually do think people who support independence without understanding or wanting answers to these fundamentals are stupid.

[quote alicesfavouritepen]@Rainbowshit that's actually a good wee diagram. Very helpful. You have to wonder why they would suggest such ideas if they are so easily disproved. It doesn't do those who are actually wanting independence any favours at all! [/quote]
Because many of the SNP faithful don't bother giving the thought to disproving/proving anything they are told. It's like a cult.

You have to wonder why they would suggest such ideas if they are so easily disproved. It doesn't do those who are actually wanting independence any favours at all!

They wanted to cut the bottom off fire doors. That tells you everything you need to know about why this scheme must have seemed like a brilliant one to them.

Yes. Quite. I don’t want the economic future if my country to be in the hands of the door cutters.

Kate Forbes - the finance secretary - has a degree in history and a Masters in Diaspora and Migration History.

No background in accounting and finance whatsoever.

Sunak has a degree in PPE, and worked for 20 years in investment banking , just for comparison.

Absolutely. Better left in the hands of a folk who don't know what a party is and find themselves ambushed with cake 🍰

I increasingly wonder who there is to actually trust?

@alicesfavouritepen

It's all there to see if you search usernames so if you don't mind I'm not going to bother actually citing the evidence

I don't have anything better to do this afternoon so I just searched @ElephantOfRisk user name and can't see a thread where she said she was never engaging with you again. What I did notice is that you often seem to take great offence at anything elephant says but not at other posters who have said similar things.

By the SNP pensions logic, Jobseeker’s Allowance and other benefits should all be paid for by UK.

I increasingly wonder who there is to actually trust?

There is no party I would currently be happy voting for. I honestly don't know what to do.

@WouldBeGood

Actually. I think the scariest thing is that Blackford et al just simply don’t understand how these financial things work.

People on Twitter saying “but other expats get their pensions paid by the UK”, rather missing the point of being independent.

I actually do think people who support independence without understanding or wanting answers to these fundamentals are stupid.

I don't believe for a second that blackford doesn't understand. The rest I'm not so sure.

It's just get Indy over the line and deal with the consequences later.

I mean despite the fact that the rUK would and should just say no to this it would throw up all sorts of issues.

How would pension increases be dealt with? Inflation? Changes in age of retirement? What currency would it be paid in? Leaves pensioners subject to enormous currency risk if their outgoings are in a different currency to their pension income. 🙈

@shouldistop thanks for getting involved. I'm attaching screenshots of the last two I can think of. If I had more time I know of at least one more but it was on one of the railing threads and that's a trawl and a half.

I have no idea why this poster has taken such a dislike to me (she admits this on one of the posts) but hey ho that's life. Some people can't believe that others have different opinions to them.

I also have no idea why you would want to come on to a thread and attempt to make me out to be a liar.

Patiently waiting for the resident SNP cheerleaders/economics experts to start posting defending this change in policy.

@Scianel

I increasingly wonder who there is to actually trust?

There is no party I would currently be happy voting for. I honestly don't know what to do.

Increasingly I feel the same. I vote SNP because I do want independence. I'm not 100% on board with their treatment of women however but I don't believe I'd get any better with Labour.

I will never vote Tory. Not under any circumstance. I trust them not a bit and while they might say today that they know what a woman is they would change in a moment if it benefited them. They are also too damaging in financial terms for the poor and working class for me to ever be able to go there.

Not getting into tit for tat to me just reads as not arguing about a particular topic. I can't see 2 screenshots

There’s a big difference between nit liking politicians or parties and taking a massive leap into an economic abyss

Well they are there. Three in total. Not really sure what else to say to that tbh. Thanks again for getting involved though. It's really helped to highlight the 'if your face doesn't fit' mentality that pervades some of Scotnset.

@WouldBeGood

There’s a big difference between nit liking politicians or parties and taking a massive leap into an economic abyss

I feel like we've done that anyway with Brexit. The cost of living hikes (not all Brexit related I'm surely) are utterly terrifying.

The UK is a shit place to be politically just now.

Sure not surely

No I'm trying to defend myself after being called a liar.

I have commented on the thread because I was interested and had an opinion which was completely wrong. I happily accepted this correction.

I have no clue about pensions. I'll stick to early years as numbers just bamboozle me. But I do feel scared for what the future holds.

People following blindly a party purely because 'freeeeeeedom'.
The leader of said party, the leader of the country has said that it is 'basic common sense' to cut off the bottom of fire doors in classrooms to aid ventilation. They are called fire doors for a reason you twat......that is so scary.

@Groovee

I have no clue about pensions. I'll stick to early years as numbers just bamboozle me. But I do feel scared for what the future holds.

I think for the first time I'm feeling really terrified. This change in policy indicates to me that they know they can't afford to pay pensions in an Indy Scotland. That the economic position is hugely worse than it was in 2014.

And yet the faithful will continue to vote for them despite their incoherent and unrealistic policies.

The current uk gov aside, the uk has the Bank of England which has huge international stability, and a civil service who managed to avoid the absolute disaster that was the attempt to prosecute Salmond.

Mature institutions matter perhaps especially when you've got weak politicians and I see a real decline in the types of people going into politics across the UK - we probably have Twitter etc to thank for that.