Guilt Free Railing 12

[WouldBeGood]

The railing goes on

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us 🤣 I’ll have to get compulsory prostrate checks

Yeah - not keen on vaccine passports. Apart from travel (which is presumably the requirement of the country you're going into) I can't think of any other vaccine that is mandatory for going about activities in the UK (recommended, yes, especially for certain jobs, but not required?). Some countries require the childhood vaccines for eg state education, but we don't here - so the fact other countries are doing it doesn't mean we automatically have to follow.

Obviously I have nothing against it, or any other vaccine, and I'm not entirely convinced by the "if we allow this, what will be next" argument. I accept this is currently a unique situation, so different measures may indeed be appropriate than have historically been used. But I'm just not keen on people being coerced into doing something they are otherwise reluctant to do, just to live life in their country of residence.

I agree on coercion, the SNP do too much of it.

It is classic SNp gesture-damp squib - look at the IT struggles there have been around covid. Do we believe they're going to get a foolproof vaccine passport checking scheme up and running, stat?

Are they heck. Pass me the laminator and the tipex.

mapleleaves - that BBC article is shocking, though as others have said, not surprising. There is so much inequality becoming evident (I mean, it's obviously always been there, but the effect of it on covid outcomes), and it seems the privileged ones have all the voices in terms of how to address things, no matter the impact on everyone else.

(Ps i am double jabbed, just saying if I was a vaccine refuser I wouldn't be quaking in my boots about Scottish govt IT).

Ha! Fair point!

@ResilienceWanker vaccines are madatory for certain professions already yes mostly drs/nurses etc but also quite a few private sector jobs as well it's more common than people realise I think.
I was expected to travel every 3 months with an old job therefore it was condition of my contract that I was fully vaccinated for any country I was expected to travel to.

We'll be talking about income inequalities caused by covid/the covid effect on attainment/the covid effect on poverty/the covid effect on mental health etc for the next 20 years.

The covid effect is probably already an identified variable in a huge number of statistical models unrelated to public health.

SNP response? A mild threat of some sort of rubbish certificate production.

Those are not requirements of the State though

[quote Scottishskifun]@ResilienceWanker vaccines are madatory for certain professions already yes mostly drs/nurses etc but also quite a few private sector jobs as well it's more common than people realise I think.
I was expected to travel every 3 months with an old job therefore it was condition of my contract that I was fully vaccinated for any country I was expected to travel to.[/quote]
Ah, OK, I didn't realise it was that common. My bad. But that's in response to specific risk, surely, that your job exposes you to and the vaccine prevents, so you can't sue your employer if you come down with hepatitis or whatever (or you end up in hospital for ages, meaning you can't work or you pass something onto someone else in contravention of your employer's duty of care). It's a bit different requiring a vaccine for a disease that you're not more likely to catch than anyone else, just to go to a gig or whatever. Even though there could potentially be more covid around at a gig, there could also be more flu, colds, noro or anything, which you take the risk of catching if you do something so unsanitary .

@mapleleavesreturn

The most barf worthy story we heard *@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us* was progressive left leaning friends (not based in the UK) who formed a bubble with two other families and hired their own teacher.

Surprisingly they were in no rush to get the kids back to school.

That certainly crossed my mind but at the same time at what point does the line get crossed between having a tutor and running a school?

Some small rural schools probably have exactly that set up handful of kids and a teacher.

I'm so disappointed but not surprised about the announcement of vaccine passports.

I am completely against them. For a start, the governments own statistics show that just over 90% of over 16's have had their first dose. And then there is the pesky announcement last week that transmission doesn't seem less if vaccinated. So what's the point of the passports and having events where all adults are vaccinated? They can still have the virus. And pass it on.

Honestly, am really starting to wonder what this is all about. As starting to think it's not covid. And generally not into conspiracy theories.

Me too@tigger1001

Another thread🤦🏻‍♀️ who knew where this would all go in March 2020.

@tigger1001 transmission level is the same yes from the early studies for delta but vaccination does reduce the likelyhood of contracting it in the first place. This does seem to reduce with time but still currently over 50% for AZ and 60% for Pfizer. Which is still better than zero and still both have 90+% against serious illness in the majority.

I don't think they will have vaccine passports for longer than 2 years but given they aren't budging I would take a vaccine passport any day for events or gigs over the alternative of stopping everything again! Plus I prefer to show a pass on my phone then have to do a bloody swab for anything I want to attend!

I know @Groovee! It will be a happy day when there’s no demand!

Patrick Harvie said on Monday that vaccine passports could create a generational inequality. But is now expected to vote for them…

Snouts are in the trough

@WouldBeGood

I know *@Groovee*! It will be a happy day when there’s no demand!

We can just have a general daily chat then lol

Imagine just chatting about nice things!

Chat about the normal mundane - the weather.
One things for sure we've been blessed with amazing weather this year.
My washing has never been so up to date. WFH and great weather, I keep looking for stuff to wash, no point wasting 'a good drying day'

[quote Scottishskifun]@tigger1001 transmission level is the same yes from the early studies for delta but vaccination does reduce the likelyhood of contracting it in the first place. This does seem to reduce with time but still currently over 50% for AZ and 60% for Pfizer. Which is still better than zero and still both have 90+% against serious illness in the majority.

I don't think they will have vaccine passports for longer than 2 years but given they aren't budging I would take a vaccine passport any day for events or gigs over the alternative of stopping everything again! Plus I prefer to show a pass on my phone then have to do a bloody swab for anything I want to attend![/quote]
I strongly disagree with them.

Will be interesting to see how well they are policed.

Just checking in.

The vaccine passport is a slippery slope. Couple of years and they add the flu jag too it, then some other jag.

Like many things SNP do, they seem incredibly power hungry, and with frightenly very little opposition to it.

So 2 emails today, both from my different jobs... both offering the flu vaccine to all school and supply staff.

I already get offered it from my GP but never take it. Why the sudden need to vaccinate school staff. The only time I've ever seen this was a severely immune compromised child asked all the staff in the setting to get the flu jag while he was there with it coming from his paediatrician.

I don't believe they can sort their systems out to have a passport system in place. I do believe they will use this as an excuse to restrict hospitality. Again.