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Guilt Free Railing 12

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WouldBeGood · 01/09/2021 15:28

The railing goes on

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BlameItOnTheBlackStar · 08/09/2021 11:53

Not sure about specifically for Delta variant @Scottishskifun - if I see any I'll share Smile

sartorius · 08/09/2021 11:58

@Lockdownbear

I'm sure watching England is part of the plan. Give them 2 weeks to get back into school see what happens with numbers and then decide to keep or ditch the masks.
But I don't think the teaching unions will agree to ditching the masks. SG have made a point of making it law in Scotland to wear masks in crowded indoor places because they say the science supports it on health grounds. So schools are a crowded indoor place and are also a workplace. Only way I see teaching unions will allow it even although it seems to be spreading like wildfire with masks is if the science changes.
Scottishskifun · 08/09/2021 12:17

@BlameItOnTheBlackStar

Not sure about specifically for Delta variant *@Scottishskifun* - if I see any I'll share Smile
Thanks yes would be great to see. The early studies showed that they had a moderate/limited impact in indoor spaces but this was due to a larger particle size and viral load being required.

As said I've only seen a limited amount of studies into delta which all so far have another factor of social distancing or ventilation. As the particle size and viral load required for infection for delta is a lot less and smaller. It escapes the majority ofmasks basically if in a space for a length of time and that's poorly ventilated. The other study I saw was I to ffp2 a d above masks for delta which do show high levels of transmission and infection risk. But obviously these are more expensive and very uncomfortable to wear for a significant time period although ICU people do so!

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 08/09/2021 12:49

A study on mask effectiveness in schools wouldn't be one vs one, which I agree would be pretty poor science. With the proper design though, this is perfectly feasible and in fact is done commonly in other contexts. There is an established history of cluster randomised trials in education, where a subset of schools are assigned one intervention and another cluster gets another intervention, and you can then compare outcomes. In this context, I guess you'd choose a few local authorities and then assign some schools within each to each group (masks or not, or maybe some other arms too like voluntary masks), making sure you had a spread of schools to cover confounders like deprivation, and then see who fares best overall. (I don't design such trials personally, but I know they are done!)

The barriers to this are political rather than scientific, from unions and the FM not wanting to lose face or appear inconsistent, but that's not a good reason not to do them. And I do also believe that lab data is no substitute for real world effectiveness data - it's all very well saying they would work if only kids used them properly (for instance, I don't know if this is true), but if in reality kids don't use them properly then the intervention won't work.

WouldBeGood · 08/09/2021 13:17

Sun reporting Janey Godley paid £10,000 (plus VAT!) for the adverts

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BroccoliFloret · 08/09/2021 13:18

@WouldBeGood

Sun reporting Janey Godley paid £10,000 (plus VAT!) for the adverts
Jobs for the boys and girls. Reward the faithful with a gig producing a shitty TV advert.

£10k is fucking outrageous.

Lockdownbear · 08/09/2021 13:24

£10k for that?

They could have picked a jakky up of the streets of Glasgow to do it at a fraction of the price and they'd at least have had an authentic accent.

janeygodless · 08/09/2021 13:49

£10K??????? Jesus wept

OnceUponAWhine · 08/09/2021 14:09

@WouldBeGood

Sun reporting Janey Godley paid £10,000 (plus VAT!) for the adverts
Just saw that. An absolute disgrace. I hope she’s donating it to a worthy cause most likely not

(Wonder if Jason received a fee for his starring roles, over and above his public sector salary?)

WouldBeGood · 08/09/2021 14:17

That’s an interesting question about JL @OnceUponAWhine

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BroccoliFloret · 08/09/2021 14:36

I would assume that Jason Leitch does it as part of his job. I wouldn't imagine he gets a fee for doing an interview on telly either, it's part of the role.

People who "perform" in the adverts, like Ms Godley and the young people in that equally awful rolling up your sleeve campaign are not employed by the Scottish government and it's not part of their job. So they get paid. DS was put forward for a Scot Gov campaign and it was fairly good money too.

ADreadedSunnyDay · 08/09/2021 15:14

So I'm railing about latest letter from Council now 'encouraging' parents of primary school aged children to do lateral flow tests twice weekly.

When will the (non-railing) majority realise that the lateral flow tests are not as sensitive as PCRs so infections, can and do get missed and, more importantly, it's a bit pointless - you could do a lateral flow Monday morning (negative) but this doesn't mean you would be negative that afternoon or thereafter ...

I'm seeing increasing anxiety amongst kids at my DS primary school and OTT attitudes to being ill yet most people are persisting to insist kids are resilient and this isn't having an impact. I sat DS down last week to explain very clearly that people do have pretty good functioning immune systems to address some of the comments coming out from his peers

Lockdownbear · 08/09/2021 15:22

I think I concluded months ago that we aren't going to dodge covid, especially as vaccinating people can still pass it on.

ssd · 08/09/2021 15:27

I repeat, janey Godley must have some agent Shock

janeygodless · 08/09/2021 15:28

Maybe it was all the arse kissing fb voiceover videos

ssd · 08/09/2021 15:45

Must be. She must pinch herself every time she wakes up

ssd · 08/09/2021 15:47

@WouldBeGood

Sun reporting Janey Godley paid £10,000 (plus VAT!) for the adverts
You mean to say theres more than one?!?
Explosivefarts · 08/09/2021 15:53

£10,000 and the SNP are forever taking the moral high ground over the tories hiring mates. I see lots of offensive tweets of hers have surfaced.

ssd · 08/09/2021 15:59

Well its not quite the same as what goes in with the tories and the ppe scandal but its still a joke

WouldBeGood · 08/09/2021 16:58

Thanks to the power of Scotsnet I have had a very relaxing, and good, haircut and colour 😊

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ssd · 08/09/2021 17:10

GreatSmile
You'll look like a new man Grin

WouldBeGood · 08/09/2021 17:12

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Groovee · 08/09/2021 17:16

@WouldBeGood

Thanks to the power of Scotsnet I have had a very relaxing, and good, haircut and colour 😊
Fab x
Groovee · 08/09/2021 17:16

Was there an update today?

ssd · 08/09/2021 17:30

@WouldBeGood

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MrWouldBeGood

Sounds like a stevie wonder song Grin
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