They didn’t learn from the named persons fiasco

[Mango1982]

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To think teachers maybe changing your child’s name covertly and keeping the name change a secret from parents

They didn’t learn form the named Persons over reach

Excellent, you will be in great company 👍😀

😃 looking out my ribbons

I so wish I could attend the rally but can't get away from work on Thursdays. Solidarity to all those going

I wish I could attend. I would run the risk of being sacked though.

I’m a bit worried about that @Rainbowshit but have decided to go to this one. Probably in disguise!

@Rainbowshit were a mask 😂

[quote Mango1982]@Rainbowshit were a mask 😂[/quote]
ha ha good point!!

“ I've seen a parent who has had this happen (i.e School socially transitioning the child without the parent's consent) on here who said they were threatened with SS unless they were prepared to 'validate' their child. It sounds like she's been put in a horrible position for raising perfectly legitimate concerns.”

WaitWhat That might have been me and yes the school actually did report us to social services. The whole experience has been horrific and has done real damage to our daughter and the rest of the family. Social services agreed with the expert clinical advice that affirming was not appropriate for her and must stop and the school has ignored this.

The school supported her social transition behind our backs and then when we found out, told us we had no say, all on the back of the then LGBTYS guidance. The new guidance is just a beefed up version of the old guidance with the caveat right at the start that schools and LAs should take legal advice as appropriate (I’m guessing because to affirm without parental consent leaves a school wide open to litigation). LGBTYS have an awful lot to answer for.

Re the Alex Massie article, MBM have now put up an analysis of the statistics used in the ScotGov guidance. These are the info graphics used by LGBTYS, expect in that version, the suicide stats have a picture of a noose next to them:

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2021/08/19/use-of-statistics-in-the-scottish-government-publication-supporting-transgender-pupils-in-schools/

This is just madness to me, and absolutely agree with a pp who says this reeks of being decided by people who have no experience of children.

Personally I've had a daughter who was clearly what we would have called a 'tomboy' from age 3. Wanted short hair. Wanted blue clothes. I indulged her. Wanted to be a boy BECAUSE CHASE FROM PAW PATROL IS A BOY.

That's where I explained no dear, Chase is a dog.

She's 7 now and still likes a lot of typical "boy" things and has mostly boy friends, she has hair down to her bum, pink dresses etc.

I gives me chills thinking what would have happened if the nursery had picked up on this and gone behind my back to tell her she could be a boy.

Both of my 'tomboy' friends at school are women. One of them a lesbian.

I have a brother who is very effeminate (whatever that means) and always has been. He's a gay man. He's happy.

What made him unhappy in school wasn't being called a boy, it was that loads of people called him a poof.

Maybe they could deal with bullying in schools - which is rife in my experience. Both of my daughters have had it. One of them dragged onto the ground and strangled in primary school.

That's a bit more difficult than indulging 4 year olds who say they identify as dogs though, eh?

Ime, every "tomboy" has either ended up a very feminine woman post puberty or has come out as gay (the minority).

I keep coming back to the person (in the USA) who transitioned from female to male, but was gay so was attracted to men and became a drag artist impersonating women. Nothing against the person, they seem perfectly nice but the mental gymnastics required are huge.

Bullying is harder to tackle than choosing your own pronouns at 4 though, let's face it. Bullying requires resources to tackle effectively.

If you are concerned about it, please write to your MSPs along with raising it with your school. The other person to write to is the Children’s Commissioner. He endorsed the previous LGTYS version and refused to withdraw his endorsement even when he knew the guidance was unlawful. He has been silent on the new guidance so far.

Write to your MSP? Has there ever been a case of an SNP MP or MSP not toeing the party line?! Guessing we can now throw the gardening wing into the same hive mind bucket too.

I (and other parents who are directly impacted by this) have done an awful lot of writing over the past 18 months and yes, there are some SNP MSPs and MPs who are quietly concerned, but it has come on the back of explaining the complexities of GD in children/adolescents and sending links to research (or proof of lack thereof), and to the Cass Review, highlighting legal issues which will leave cash strapped councils open to litigation, that sort of thing. At the moment, too many have only been exposed to one point of view.

The Tories and Labour also need to know this isn’t a niche issue.

Well my MP is Alyn Smith so........

@ElephantOfRisk

Well my MP is Alyn Smith so........

My condolences

My MSP thinks there are more than 2 sexes but I still write to the bastard & cc all the regional MSPs - I assume his (lovely btw) office staff have a black folder for me

If I email all my MSPs, I usually get a reply from Murdo who tends to have the same views. I sometimes get a reply from Green guy who actually seems okay but it wasn't about a gender thing. elected MSP got a minion to respond who could only quote things and not actually answer things.

Yes my favourite is bloody Monica Lennon always a passive aggressive lecture in letter form.

Ah well at least I don't have Patrick Harvie small blessings & all that

Please keep on writing and emailing your MSPs it’s going to get worse now the SNP and greens have joined forces.
This whole thing is shameful, a man in charge of Rape Crisis Edinburgh, the so called guidance for schools re the mixed toilets, this nonsense about wee children is the final straw and we can only hope that more and more people speak up. It’s all just too much and it can’t be allowed to go on.
The dismantling of the rights of women and children is horrendous and we must push back.

Losing our rights is more important than independence in Scotland, it’s the thin end of the wedge, like the Joni Mitchell song lyric, “ Don’t it always seem to go, that you don’t know what you’ve got til it’s gone” Please join us on 2nd September at holyrood, use your voices , we owe it to our children and we owe it to the women before us who fought hard for our freedom and rights.

They’re apparently planning to legislate to bring self ID in next year, in a deal with the greens.

They’ve also set up the sinister sounding gender recognition unit. It’s hard to find details online, but saw this linked to on another thread.

@WouldBeGood

They’re apparently planning to legislate to bring self ID in next year, in a deal with the greens.

They’ve also set up the sinister sounding gender recognition unit. It’s hard to find details online, but saw this linked to on another thread.

Will it be like a sorting hat? You get tapped on the head and told what gender they recognise you to be? Flat chested, must be a boy, long hair, must be a girl - that sort of thing?

So there is seriously nothing better to do in Scotland right now?

@Rhannion they don’t care they hate English people more than they care about women’s rights
And the worst thing is you just know if boris was for this the SNP would be firmly against it

@KittenKong apparently not. Largest amount of drug deaths in Europe. The once lauded Scottish education system being less and less well regarded etc etc etc.

Apparently less important than people being able to self ID. That's the priority. While the Scottish Government use incorrect statistics to 'illustrate' public policy, women's groups are left out of discussions which affect them directly, and 'wrongthink' is investigated by the Police.