They didn’t learn from the named persons fiasco

[Mango1982]

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To think teachers maybe changing your child’s name covertly and keeping the name change a secret from parents

They didn’t learn form the named Persons over reach

Thanks @ElephantOfRisk I thought as a concept it sounded quite good. I didn't think it was to sidestep parents just improve information sharing between agencies. So e.g. if a child was missing school and was picked up by police for some reason then a welfare check by SS might happen.

My DSs went through the entire primary being called gay because they didn't like football and liked building stuff, playing on computers or reading or just general playing like tig etc. I couldn't honestly care less whether they were gay or not but it was meant as an insult. I just tried to tell them that being gay isn't a bad thing so who cares if that's what they say. Still hurts them though. So anything that normalises all types of play for either sex is what's needed.

DS1 really struggled with that and all sorts of other bullying but DS2 was more able to shrug it off or trade insults (which is not really a good thing either).

@KittenKong

What’s happened to all the Scots mams? My mum and grandma (from the NE but honorary Scots) would have been down at the school, absolutely blazing if this happened to one of us (which I can assure you it would have been for one sibling).

I think the problem here is the forced teaming of T with LGB. People are scared to speak up about the madness of the trans issues as they are worried about being accused of being anti LGB. Some people don't seem to be able to separate these in their mind for some reason.

I certainly couldn't speak up in public as I would lose my job.

@Tuscancat

Thanks *@ElephantOfRisk* I thought as a concept it sounded quite good. I didn't think it was to sidestep parents just improve information sharing between agencies. So e.g. if a child was missing school and was picked up by police for some reason then a welfare check by SS might happen.

It had lots of holes and was already ineffective in preventing at least 2 child murders by their parents in areas where it was being trialled.

Most of the named persons were school heads, what happens for the school holidays? how would heads be able to add this in to existing duties? Named persons would have powers to be able to go above parents heads for spurious reasons.

Agencies surrounding a child already have power to refer and to share information, police picking up a young person would refer to SS if they felt appropriate. Sometimes it might be appropriate for things to be kept separate to avoid stigmatising a child, especially an older one who might not want an issue outside school to be following them into school where they are actually managing fine.

I find this horrifying.

It would be more to the point if the Scottish government were to support schools to address the harassment of girls in schools.

Totally agree @mibbelucieachwell. The SG is rife with misogyny though. They do not care a jot for women and girls.

@Rhannion what’s the protest on 2nd September? Who’s running it? I would like to protest against this

I’ve also been posting some of this on my social media, as most people are unaware of it. Last night people were saying it couldn’t be true!!

This is helpful for anyone catching up or needing a recap on named persons no2np.org/has-the-named-person-scheme-really-been-scrapped-and-where-do-we-go-from-here/

I don't see a link to Alex Massie's excellent comment so here it is ( apologies if I've missed it)
<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2021.08.16-170615/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alex-massie-bad-data-can-never-form-the-basis-of-good-policy-p08pwr6h9" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">archive.ph/2021.08.16-170615/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alex-massie-bad-data-can-never-form-the-basis-of-good-policy-p08pwr6h9

Our government is rotten to the core

@mibbelucieachwell

I find this horrifying.

It would be more to the point if the Scottish government were to support schools to address the harassment of girls in schools.

They seem to be doing the opposite, trying to make girls share toilets and changing rooms with males. That's only going to make the harassments of girls worse.

I honestly do not understand why anyone votes SNP. They are absolutely awful!! Everything they touch is a disaster.

I think a lot of their followers just vote unquestioningly because of the SNP good; Westminster bad narrative.

I also think a lot of them have no idea what is going on. None of this stuff was in election flyers, for example.

It’s the same as how the current Tory party keeps getting votes despite corruption etc: it beggars belief.

There’s also no effective opposition in Scotland of the UK.

I despair! It seems totally wrong to me to be labelling children and I cannot bear the idea of being called one name etc at school and a different one at home. There must have been so many meetings about this without one sensible person in attendance? It’s awful and potentially very damaging 😟

My daughter is adopted she would be so confused she already has issues with identity

What happened to telling children your prefect as you are

I dispare a child says to an adult I hate myself and and struggle
Teachers says what yes your correct we need to change who you are in it’s entirety and shhh don’t tell your mam

My daughter is adopted and is disabled she often wishes she was “normal”

We tell her god doesn’t make mistakes she perfect the way she is

That's an excellent piece from Massie, thanks @Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons It just fits with what we see, policy decided first then arse about trying to find stuff to back it up.

Present vague, out of date, irrelevant data and present it as current relevant fact.

@Mango1982

What happened to telling children your prefect as you are

I dispare a child says to an adult I hate myself and and struggle
Teachers says what yes your correct we need to change who you are in it’s entirety and shhh don’t tell your mam

My daughter is adopted and is disabled she often wishes she was “normal”

We tell her god doesn’t make mistakes she perfect the way she is

I'm an atheist but i love that.

Found the details of the protest. Looks good. Women won’t wheesht.

@KittenKong

What’s happened to all the Scots mams? My mum and grandma (from the NE but honorary Scots) would have been down at the school, absolutely blazing if this happened to one of us (which I can assure you it would have been for one sibling).

I've seen a parent who has had this happen (i.e School socially transitioning the child without the parent's consent) on here who said they were threatened with SS unless they were prepared to 'validate' their child. It sounds like she's been put in a horrible position for raising perfectly legitimate concerns.

That would be the last day my child is enrolled at that school and would be homeschooling

My parents have been SNP stalwarts since the 70's. They used to get laughed at on doorsteps by people saying that a vote for the SNP was a wasted vote as they'd never get in. I had voted SNP every election since I was 18.

Every single one of us has left the party and ceased voting for them due to this shitshow. I find it hard to get my head around how little the SNP and the Government value women.

DP couldn’t bring himself to vote for them this time.

[quote WouldBeGood]@Rhannion what’s the protest on 2nd September? Who’s running it? I would like to protest against this[/quote]
Sorry I just saw this comment. Please join us on 2nd September at Holyrood. Men are welcome too as this shit show affects all of us. Wear suffragette colours 💚🤍💜 if you can but most importantly please come! We need our voices to be heard and the more of us the better.

Encouraging children to keep secrets from their parents with other adults.

Does that sound like advice grounded in safeguarding principles?

Thanks @Rhannion. I found the stuff and am planning to attend.