They didn’t learn from the named persons fiasco

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To think teachers maybe changing your child’s name covertly and keeping the name change a secret from parents

They didn’t learn form the named Persons over reach

From the document, under the Overcoming Barriers section -

'Some transgender young people who have socially transitioned may want to be open with others about their gender history. Others treat their gender history as private, and do not disclose this to others.

If a young person transitions at school, other learners and staff will most likely be aware of their gender history. Similarly, if a young person has a non-binary[28] gender identity, being open about this will mean other young people and staff know that that young person is transgender. However, transgender young people who join your school after transitioning may want to keep their gender history private, and this should be respected.'

Sorry I meant re schools socially transitioning a pupil - you appear to think this happens 'in secret'? Or have I misunderstood you?

Also, re ASN pupils. Teachers are professionals who are aware of the quirks that ASN pupils can display.

This threads is useful in terms of the social transitioning aspect - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4287310-Advice-schools-socially-transitioning-children-without-parental-knowledge-or-consent

I have now quoted a previous poster several times who has experience of their child being socially transitioned without their knowledge - if you would like to know more, I would suggest you perhaps tag her to find out more about her experience, if you are interested. You'll also find various other accounts by parents raising concerns on the FWR board, in particular.

Girls with ASD often get a much later diagnosis because they often display 'non typical' traits and can be adept at masking. This is also discussed in the thread in my last post.

@Waitwhat23

Girls with ASD often get a much later diagnosis because they often display 'non typical' traits and can be adept at masking. This is also discussed in the thread in my last post.

I know this. Again, I am a teacher.

I'm also a parent by the way.

I have answered your questions and clarified points which you did not appear to know. I have given links to discussions by parents and teaching staff who have experienced social transitioning issues. If parents and teachers are raising concerns, should these not be critically evaluated? There is a huge debate about the social contagion aspect in Schools and the Austistic Society UK state there should be further research into the links between austism and gender dysphoria.

I'm not sure what your point about being a teacher and also a parent is? I also work in a School and am a parent.

I'm not sure why that's autocorrected to austistic - should read autistic.

I have a Twitter account under the same name which has a fair amount of detail. There are a lot of parents who have had this happen. Fortunately NHS England has recognised the extent of the general issue of the exponential increase in adolescents identifying as the opposite sex and have set up The Cass Review which is looking at appropriate pathways but also why this increase has occurred:

cass.independent-review.uk/

Should add, the outcomes and recommendations from the Cass Review will obviously not be binding in Scotland, but it’s good the issue is being investigated.

There is also a big difference between being a primary school teacher and having a small child to having experience with older/teen children.

I'm still struggling to get my head round this tbh.

There very much seems to be a vibe on this thread and thread like this that schools are desperate to encourage children down a transgender route. Why would they? What is to be achieved by that?

What staff in secondary schools do do is try to respect the wishes of the young people who attend. If Katie wants me to address her as Kade or whatever then I absolutely will do that. Would I immediately think oh I better phone home? No probably not. Same way as if a kid casually mentions that they are gay then i wouldn't phone home.

I can't imagine a situation whereby parents would be completely oblivious that their child might have issues with gender and the school are keeping it some big secret. I genuinely can't. So if the problem is that Katie is Kade at school and then Katie at home then why does that suggest that the school has become some big cesspit of trans radicalisation rather than the kid's parents are maybe creating a hostile environment where they don't feel comfortable to explore their gender identity. School is a safe place for lots of people for lots of reasons.

Are we not to call Katie Kade because mum and don't like it? That seems very off to be honest.

Although I'm not a pupil support teacher so that does obviously make a difference re phoning home to be fair.

No, the concern is that there has been an enormous spike in children who wish to change gender, in particular girls, and very little research has been done to investigate why this massive spike has happened. Is it social contagion? Is it an increased number of pupils with ASD? Is it a greater knowledge of transgender ideology? Is it because children have more access to information due to the Internet? Is it because of what is being said on social media? Who knows?

Instead of seeking to find out why, there has been a massive push by the Scottish Government in particular towards affirmation and social transition, without taking into account why affirmation might not be the best pathway (I gave various examples in a previous post).

I can't imagine a situation whereby parents would be completely oblivious that their child might have issues with gender and the school are keeping it some big secret. I genuinely can't.

A previous poster has stated that this has happened to their family. She has given details of her Twitter for more information. Why don't you check it out?

@Waitwhat23 thanks for that. That's actually very helpful. It does seem a bit strange and anecdotally I do see the rise of female to male transgender folk also.

I had a wee look on the Twitter but could only go back so far. I feel like it's a hard one. I have sympathy for the parent but also the child. Obviously though I'm saying this with a full disclaimer that I don't know that poster's full story.

I've been lurking for a while. So, parents of Scotland, what next? I'm not ok with this and I know I'm not alone.
I'm not prepared to lie to my DC about material reality.

@LadyNotGivingaF

I've been lurking for a while. So, parents of Scotland, what next? I'm not ok with this and I know I'm not alone. I'm not prepared to lie to my DC about material reality.

Don't lie to them. Just tell them the truth. Be prepared however that they may not agree with the truth as they grow up. This really could go either way I think.

We make sure that ours understand they are a girl/boy (as appropriate) and that we have to use the right toilets and changing rooms, but we're also very clear that everyone can play with or look however they want and come down hard on stereotypes. We had a few chats about how girls don't always like princesses and boys can also have long hair. I try to get them to talk to me, so if they were being taught at school that e.g. X is really a boy because they like short hair and dinosaurs (or any other regressive nonsense) I can only hope they'd tell us.

If the school did question this, I'm very happy to explain to them that I have a PhD in Biological Sciences and a fairly good grasp of biology! Thankfully, there doesn't seem to be much sign of it filtering through so far, but they're a Catholic school so I don't know if that makes a difference.

I suspect that there is going to be backpedaling in the near future, in a similar way to Sweden - "Teenage transgender row splits Sweden as dysphoria diagnoses soar by 1,500% | Transgender | The Guardian" amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/22/ssweden-teenage-transgender-row-dysphoria-diagnoses-soar

There seems to be no curiosity at all about the huge rise in numbers of children wanting to transition. It's utterly bizarre. There must come a point at which society as a whole says 'hang on, surely we need to look at why this is happening?'.

There's definitely curiosity about it but it's just not public. People are terrified of being called a bigot and potentially losing their job. It's quite frightening really but I do also understand a marginalised and vulnerable group not wanting to be the focus of a debate which essentially determines their validity or not. I really struggle with it all. Very much.

But I am Jazz book is part of suggested books to read to primary school kids. I can't wrap my head around that. That child was put on puberty blockers at 8/9, then went on to have several unsuccessful surgeries. Should teachers be reading an overly stereotypical book to little children? How do you counteract that?

Who is recommending the book?

The Scottish Government is recommending it as a resource - "Supporting transgender young people in schools: guidance for Scottish schools - gov.scot" www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-young-people-schools-guidance-scottish-schools/pages/7/

Also, I'm an immigrant, I've been through stuff. I know I will self exclude from using certain services, places because of this. Luckily the last time I needed to be referred to the breast clinic they were able to accommodate my request.