Scotland- Enough is enough

[Bytheloch]

Starting this thread for those of us who are done. I don’t want to just rail or fight about it with those who still believe that government messaging is in our best interest. Enough is enough.

My tipping point has been the football. It’s been building, but really I can no longer watch these scenes of thousands behaving in this way and yet still be expected to behave a certain way here, whilst watching our hospitality and tourism industries, arts, education and individual mental health be so seriously impacted. If further restrictions are imposed in the next few weeks (directly linked to the football) I will not be complying. I’m having my 2nd vaccine in two weeks, so this isn’t a point about not protecting others. I will continue to care about those who need extra support, as I did-both personally and professionally- even before March 2020. It’s just too much of an ask now and the hypocrisy of last night- whilst those scenes played out for the football- imposing a travel ban from Scotland to an area of England from June 21st, just around the time schools break up for the summer, is an effort to impose restrictions on anyone perhaps thinking they can fly from Manchester for a family holiday?

I totally agree, it’s one rule for the football fans and another for the rest of us.
I work in public health so will continue to follow the ‘rules’ but I can understand why others won’t or aren’t. There are now so many contradictions and inconsistencies that it makes no sense at all.
I don’t think anyone is listening to NS, they are doing what they want.

imposing a travel ban from Scotland to an area of England from June 21st

I haven’t seen anything about that. What did I miss?

@SuperSecretSquirrels

imposing a travel ban from Scotland to an area of England from June 21st

I haven’t seen anything about that. What did I miss?

Non-essential travel between Scotland and Manchester and Salford is prohibited from 21 June as Covid levels there are causing concern.

I agree op and its not just the football, scenes from Ascot and the G7 are just mocking the general public. Anyone thinking they should now follow the rules when the elite aren't needs to step away from the news and tv bombarding the public with scaremongering daily predictions and just live their life. I'm in the Scottish Borders and we've had very low cases throughout. Everyone here is pretty much carrying on as normal now.

So why did the scenes in London happen? Mayor Khan asked fans not to go down unless they had a ticket. The fans pleased themselves- surprise. Surely personal responsibility comes into this. I don't know if Miss Sturgeon has spoken out about London, from what I could hear the silence from Bute House was deafening. Im totally p**d off about one rule for footballers and celebs, another for the rest of us. Im still prepared to take responsibility for my OWN actions though. I hope we don't end up paying for London when all these fans arrive back.

Prohibited implies travel is against the law, though. Not that I disagree with her sentiments, but how would she police that once they've crossed over the border to England?

@moonbedazzled

Prohibited implies travel is against the law, though. Not that I disagree with her sentiments, but how would she police that once they've crossed over the border to England?

Well, exactly. But it’s nicely timed for the school summer holidays...and unfortunately many people still believe they have to obey. I’m done.

I agree that the Manchester rule seems to be directed at those of us choosing to travel from Manchester airport. As you say, how could it possibly be policed?

And Salford? Isn't that where the media hub is, BBC etc.

She really hasn't thought through the travel ban to Manchester/Salford. Is she not aware that the train to London/Birmingham goes through Manchester Piccadilly. Buy a ticket to Birmingham and get off at Manchester. It's not an enforceable ban does she not understand that. Silly woman.

The amount of money I see being spent makes me quiver. I go for my jag wearing a mask but I have to discard it and accept the one preferred by them. COVID test centres paying £10 an hour at least for 50 tests a day. Money wasted by council making pedestrian crossings automatic and holding up traffic in the dead of the night when there is no one around only to reset them to manual 4 months later. If everyone is getting vaccinated and we’ve had three lockdowns but they are imposing yet more restrictions what is the bloody point of it all.

All that money could have been used so much more efficiently, and don’t get me started on the government contracts for PPE or track n trace.

I’m fed up of it now. Our leaders, all of them, need to grow a backbone and we just need to get on with living

Our leaders, all of them, need to grow a backbone and we just need to get on with living

Exactly this. All of our leaders. Enough is enough.

I'm in. Hacked of with it all, to be fair most of the restrictions don't affect me personally but the wearing a mask for 5 paces into a restaurant and then following a one way system that means I'm closer to more people than just going out the exit, it's all bizarre and of no use.

The issue where I live is all the soft plays have had to close. The guy who owns one here has been in social media asking them to explain why he can’t open but people can travel to ine in the next local authority. It makes no sense at all.

I’m annoyed I can’t stand in the playground on Friday to watch my sun leave primary school (I know this is trivial compared to some other things) but football fans seem to be exempt from any rules 🤷‍♀️

*son not sun

Would she have been so quiet if Rangers were playing a game in London?

The hypocrisy you get from her is astounding.

She's given the impression that most of the spread has been caused by visitors from England.

She sent punters down to Carlisle last year when she closed the pubs before an Old Firm game.

Now at least 20k Scotland fans travelled from areas with pretty high Covid rates to a city that is doing not too bad at the moment.

If I was a Londonder I would be fuming.

And to then introduce this ban to Manchester when Scots have put people living in England at risk- I'm flabbergasted- actually no I'm not.

I do think we still need to be sensible and not take unnecessary risks.

If she wants to do something, look at the tiers. My parents are I'm tier 2 yet there rates are lower than many Tier 1 areas.

It should be the same across the board.

There has been a significant radio campaign in Scotland trying to encourage folk to visit London. So they went.

Yep, the thread isn’t about condemning those who went, they probably did us all a favour by demonstrating the ridiculous inconsistencies surrounding restrictions. Hard to watch if you’re a business owner in Scotland. Too hard to comply to any new summer restrictions imposed on us, despite the vaccine. As I said before, I’m done. Enough is enough.

Totally with you @Bytheloch and reached that point a few months back.

How can that woman ban people from Greater Manchester coming to Scotland and simultaneously turn a blind eye to thousands of Scottish people descending on London? Who made her Queen of Manchester anyway? The Mancs should just tell her to fuck right off and come anyway - they are MORE than welcome.

Inconsistent, incompetent, corrupt government with no dissent allowed from within and they do what the fuck they like.

I think the Manchester (utterly unenforceable) announcement was poorly timed
Or then again, maybe deliberately timed. It all feeds in to the impression many seem to have in that the risk is Scotland fans bringing back covid when in fact the Scottish rate per 100k has been double that of England for weeks.
In any case, the Manchester rates are beginning to come down again so it all seems too late anyway.
There is still so much closed up here for no apparent reason and yet our rates go up regardless so would question what it is actually achieving now, other than Nicola giving an impression of doing something while actually doing very little in reality. Bit like our hotel quarantine. What happened to that?

Can I also just ask HOW they are planning to police this? DH took the kids to his parents in north west England last week - not Greater Manchester but fairly nearby.

Who's stopping people on the M74 at Gretna? Who's banning people from boarding trains at Glasgow Central, or Lockerbie, or Motherwell? Is Queen Nic sending an army of undercover spies to arrest anyone seen in Manchester with a Scottish accent? Or is she expecting the people of Manchester to shop their friends and neighbours?

So as well as being fucking stupid, her policy is unworkable. Glad to see Andy Burnham is having a go at the stupid woman.

And, while the Manchester ban is unenforceable, if we do this for more touristy areas then for people like us, who booked last year at good rates, it gives accommodation providers the perfect opportunity to bin off their early Scottish bookings and resell them at twice the price.
It's a policy that achieves little other than making us all unnecessarily anxious as to whether we'll get the small trips we've been looking forward to

I’m done too. Look at everything opening up in the US now that the vaccination program is moving at such a pace. What on earth was the point in being ahead in the vaccine race if we are going to be the last to open up? I don’t want to hear about cases or people in hospital. I want to know about how many people didn’t get Covid in hospital, didn’t get their jab and are now seriously ill in hospital due to Covid. This latest pause is costing the economy an extra £3bn is it?! We are all going to have to pay that back through taxation. People are on their knees. Jumping around watching a stupid game of football is allowed. But no nursery graduation. God forbid.

I'm done too.
The fan zone, in Glasgow has pushed me over the edge. 8 folk from different household sharing a table. 6500 using the same loos etc.
While at the same time saying nurseries cannot hold Graduations for little kids indoors or outdoors.

Last year I was cynical on the its safe to meet indoors as long as it has a till but unsafe to meet in a private house with less people. Show me the science that says it safe to have a coffee in Costa (plenty) but not in my house?

Now I'm done with all the nonsense.

The hypocricy over the football is staggering, are they not also setting up football zomes in Scottish cities so fans can gather.

Are they allowing any other mass outdoor gatherings?

We all know football fans will get drunk and not social distance.