Guilt Free Railing 8

[WouldBeGood]

Can’t believe it’s needed….

Well I would considered it proportionate to be honest. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Consider it to be*

I mean, one of my DC was pretty ill with croup as a small child. Croup is really infectious and we don't have a decent vaccine for it, and it has a higher chance of hospitalising children than covid does. So should we start bringing in mandatory 10-day isolation of all contacts for croup? RSV? Chickenpox?

Croup is an established illness. Many children will have some or total immunity to it, even if they or their parents are unaware that they have ever had it. Of course some kids get it quite severely and are hospitalised.

Although Covid has been a pain in our arse for over a year it's still a novel virus. The danger of it has always been the mix of the potential severity of the disease and the ease with which it spreads and infects.

It’s not really potentially severe unless one is elderly. Apart from in unusual circumstances. Again, this happens with many illnesses.

The media and governments have made a grand job of terrorising people needlessly. It’s a shame.

You keep saying this @WouldBeGood but the reality I see daily says different. Or maybe I just have a different understanding of what 'severity' means than you.

These kids aren't going to die but would I want my daughter to be 16 and crying her eyes out daily because her hair is coming out in clumps or sitting at home for a few days? It seems a no brainer to me. Especially when Pfizer has been approved for 12+ . Let's just get them vaccinated.

Even having no sense of taste or smell is pretty horrific. It's not going to kill you but think of how bloody awful it would be.

Many children will have some or total immunity to it

Well yeah. Because they caught it. Because it is very infectious. Like covid.

even if they or their parents are unaware that they have ever had it

Like covid.

Of course some kids get it quite severely and are hospitalised.

Like covid, except more so.

If it’s just about the risk to children, you should either be treating croup like covid or you should be treating covid like croup. (Or RSV, measles, chickenpox…)

Okay so you are deliberately missing the difference between an established virus and a novel virus? Cool. Just so I'm clear.

@StarryEyeSurprise

I have a colleague ( young, has had one vaccination) who is now very ill from Covid.

I also had a parent send their child in ( unwell) to school today and they were going to take them for a test after school.

Sigh.

Hope your colleague gets better soon an oximeter helped me keep a check on it. It's definitely not pleasant if you get even a moderate case.

Biotin supplement will help your pupil with hair loss.

Long covid does suck and is frustrating. I'm unlucky and out of all the people I know who have had covid only myself and one other have long covid. But you can also get post viral fatigue from any illness. My rail though is SG not setting up long covid clinics to help at a point where GPs are swamped and my appointments for the last 2 months have been on the phone.

But I still think a balance needs to be found on school isolations it's so disruptive. Even if it's a reduction of days with testing.

@forfucksakenett

Okay so you are deliberately missing the difference between an established virus and a novel virus? Cool. Just so I'm clear.

So now it’s not about how dangerous it is to children, and it’s not about how infectious it is, it’s about how new the virus is? Just that?

But you can also get post viral fatigue from any illness.

Of course. But no other illness at this point is spreading and infecting people in these numbers. This has kind of always been the point / problem.

mobile.twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1404709499601133568

Have the Eng Gov really decided that 40,000 deaths are acceptable in this wave? Richard Murphy has been tweeting about it.

@GoldenOmber no.

It's about both. As it has always been.

It's a moderate to mild disease with a relatively low death rate. Probably a relatively low post viral infection rate. The problem is that it spreads so easily and so quickly and infects so many that these tiny numbers soon become big numbers.

The problem is that it spreads so easily and so quickly and infects so many that these tiny numbers soon become big numbers.

Right, so then we should take the same measures we do for all other illnesses that spread this easily and quickly among children? Or not?

@GoldenOmber

The problem is that it spreads so easily and so quickly and infects so many that these tiny numbers soon become big numbers.

Right, so then we should take the same measures we do for all other illnesses that spread this easily and quickly among children? Or not?

Seriously? We're 127,000 dead in the UK and still having this conversation a year later.

Seriously? We're 127,000 dead in the UK and still having this conversation a year later.

We’re talking about children. The word ‘children’ is even right there in the bit you quoted.

@GoldenOmber

Seriously? We're 127,000 dead in the UK and still having this conversation a year later.

We’re talking about children. The word ‘children’ is even right there in the bit you quoted.

Children don't live on their own.

Children don't live on their own.

Perhaps have a quick read of the conversation you’re jumping into before you jump? It’s only a few posts, won’t take you long.

@GoldenOmber

The problem is that it spreads so easily and so quickly and infects so many that these tiny numbers soon become big numbers.

Right, so then we should take the same measures we do for all other illnesses that spread this easily and quickly among children? Or not?

What other illnesses are these then?

Just for an educational point ‘croup’ is not a virus..... it’s the symptoms caused by a variety of different viruses.

Covid thankfully doesn’t seem to cause croup.

@tiredoftiers

Just for an educational point ‘croup’ is not a virus..... it’s the symptoms caused by a variety of different viruses.

Covid thankfully doesn’t seem to cause croup.

That's good to know actually! I always thought it was bacterial 🙈 mine always managed to avoid it thankfully which is how I'm hoping to explain my ignorance!

@GoldenOmber

Children don't live on their own.

Perhaps have a quick read of the conversation you’re jumping into before you jump? It’s only a few posts, won’t take you long.

I think you've missed @StarryEyeSurprise point tbh.

What other illnesses are these then?

For children? RSV. Croup (caused by various viruses, we don’t even test usually so we wouldn’t even know which one). Chickenpox. Others.

You will say, I’m sure, “ah but those have been around for years so children have immunity and they don’t spread as much!” but that’s missing the point that they spread among children, because children haven’t had the same chance as adults to get infected.

For children born in the last few years, RSV and chickenpox and croup and all the other nastiest are just as new as covid is. Should we put in close-contact isolations for all of those for the under-3s?

Or perhaps I've missed yours?