Guilt Free Railing 8

[WouldBeGood]

Can’t believe it’s needed….

Thanks @SoMuchForSummerLove not as good as I had hoped.

That was literally me guessing though! It could end up being no isolating, but I'd doubt it, as most kids won't be vaccinated (even if they start the teens in the autumn).

If they get their finger out they should be able to get teenagers their first doze before school starting back.

5 days isolating probably wouldn't be that bad, by the time T&T get in touch you'd be down to 2 or 3 days.

I just saw on the news that England need to increase their rate by 12% to reach their goal of all adults vaccinated by end July (or whenever it is) so there will need to be a lot of getting the finger out! Assuming we have the supplies that is.

life can't return to how it was in 2019. We are reliant on vaccines to keep us all safe and keep the nhs available for all conditions.
So that needs a serious public health agenda and a sort of social covenant.
Everyone's getting vaccinated at moment as we see that as the way out of this nightmare. But what happens next year when people are not coming forward in their droves to get vaccinated against new variant. do they "threaten " the population with lockdown? What happens when we're not meeting heard immunity levels for new variants because children aren't vaccinated?
If they don't want to continue to get people to comply through fear then how do they? Serious questions going forward and I don't reckon they will return things to completely normal until they've worked out the answers

To be honest, I think it will probably all blow over once the media stops wetting it’s knickers over it.

I think it will end up like everything else, you either come forward for the vaccine or take your chances.

It may well be that everyone will be offered annual boosters, just like the Forth Bridge, finish painting it and start again. "Covid vaccinated" will become a job for life.

@WouldBeGood

To be honest, I think it will probably all blow over once the media stops wetting it’s knickers over it.

I'm not sure that's how a pandemic works. There's around 10,000 people a day dying globally.

The problem is if people take their chance, they may end up in an ITU bed which should have been available for someone having heart surgery or whatever, which then gets cancelled. It's the effect on nhs the Gov will continue to be concerned about because they run it

@WouldBeGood

Oh ffs they need to stop the school isolations.

Why?

Oh ffs they need to stop the school isolations.

Why?

Well, for one, because at the point in August when the schools go back all adults should have been offered both doses of the vaccine.

So at that point either we're saying "everyone still has to isolate for 10 days after contact, even if they've been double vaccinated", which is going to go down like a lead balloon and justifiably so, or we're saying "adults can go about their life now if exposed but children need to be shut up in their houses for 10 days," which doesn't quite jibe with the putting-kids-first approach the government says it's taking.

I have a colleague ( young, has had one vaccination) who is now very ill from Covid.

I also had a parent send their child in ( unwell) to school today and they were going to take them for a test after school.

Sigh.

Very very many adults won't have both doses by August. Schools go back in 8 weeks.

Surely protecting them from an illness that could have long term effects on their health is putting children first.

School isolations should continue until the young people themselves are vaccinated.

@SoMuchForSummerLove

Very very many adults won't have both doses by August. Schools go back in 8 weeks.

Hmm, okay, does depend a bit on how fast they can do the remaining first doses.

So, assuming they don't finish those until mid-July, I can see a case for maaaayyyyybbbeeee extending school-age isolations until... mid-September? First few weeks of term, then scrap them?

Otherwise we end up moving from "continue isolating until we've got the second doses done" to "continue isolating until we've got the second doses done and then... continue isolating anyway, never mind vaccines, isolation forever" which is not going to be a winning strategy on any possible metric.

@GoldenOmber

Oh ffs they need to stop the school isolations.

Why?

Well, for one, because at the point in August when the schools go back all adults should have been offered both doses of the vaccine.

So at that point either we're saying "everyone still has to isolate for 10 days after contact, even if they've been double vaccinated", which is going to go down like a lead balloon and justifiably so, or we're saying "adults can go about their life now if exposed but children need to be shut up in their houses for 10 days," which doesn't quite jibe with the putting-kids-first approach the government says it's taking.

I thought the target is July for first vaccinations for adults? August obviously won't be an attainable target for both then.

School isolations will not (and should not) be scrapped until the kids are vaccinated. Not a chance. I'd be amazed.

I strongly disagree @forfucksakenett. And I won’t be rushing to vaccinate my child.

The vulnerable are vaccinated. That’s it. Back to normal.

@forfucksakenett

Surely protecting them from an illness that could have long term effects on their health is putting children first.

School isolations should continue until the young people themselves are vaccinated.

Well if it's about the risk to the children themselves, here's a suggestion: let's find all the other viruses that are the same risk of serious illness/death to that age group as covid, and take the same approach for covid as we do for all those viruses. Shall we?

And yes, some people will die, as they do from other diseases. Yes, some will get post viral type symptoms.

But that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

You do that and good luck to you. There are many illnesses that have a higher death rate. There are none, however, that will rip through a school quite so easily while infecting so many.

In an average year we have maybe one or two senior school pupils off with a nasty contagious illness. Glandular fever say.

In this last year we have had maybe 25 senior kids with confirmed covid. Of those 25 one of them is now suffering from post viral hair loss and fatigue, one has never returned as she has extreme post viral fatigue and two have never had their sense of taste and smell returned to them. These aren't odds I would fancy for my child.

While I acknowledge that many other kids may have been asymptomatic cases but even if we doubled or even quadrupled the cases to take account of that, I still don't like the odds of developing what is potentially a life altering ongoing chronic condition.

@WouldBeGood

And yes, some people will die, as they do from other diseases. Yes, some will get post viral type symptoms.

But that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

Thankfully it's not. Some people who actually give a shit about other people children are putting mitigations in place to try and minimise risk.

I will concede that I am principally concerned with my own child. As is my duty s a mother 😃

One can be principally concerned with the welfare of their own child while recognising both the immediate and wider benefits of certain public health measures.

These aren't odds I would fancy for my child.

I'd rather they didn't happen to my child either, but I wouldn't consider it proportionate to inflict repeated periods of social and educational isolation on children across the whole country, indefinitely, because they face a small chance of losing their sense of smell for months.