Guilt Free Railing 8

[WouldBeGood]

Can’t believe it’s needed….

Again, no-one is suggesting that everything will be hunky dory when England opens, in fact they have been clear that they expect cases to rise and that some small number of deaths will follow. Rather, it is considered the least bad option as strain on the NHS is predicted to be worse if they postpone the exit wave. I'm still not hearing any viable alternatives that take this into account?

Railing.. not proselytising 😃

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

Again, no-one is suggesting that everything will be hunky dory when England opens, in fact they have been clear that they expect cases to rise and that some small number of deaths will follow. Rather, it is considered the least bad option as strain on the NHS is predicted to be worse if they postpone the exit wave. I'm still not hearing any viable alternatives that take this into account?

The chief executive of NHS providers said that removing all measures will put a huge strain on the NHS. I'd say he knows what he's talking about, wouldn't you? It's quite clear what needs to happen- follow every other country in the world and keep mitigating measures in place.

*every other country in the world with high cases .

Help! Is it still the case that you can’t go to hospital with someone? My dad has had a fall but it’s hours for me to travel and no point of can’t get in

I think people are allowed 1 designated visitor. Can you get through to the hospital to check their rules incase different?
I hope he's ok, how worrying for you.

Oh no! not sure the rules, try contacting the hospital he will be going to and ask? I couldn't go in with DH but that was last November, it might be different now. Fingers crossed he is ok.

@WouldBeGood

Help! Is it still the case that you can’t go to hospital with someone? My dad has had a fall but it’s hours for me to travel and no point of can’t get in

Double check the health authority social media page to what they are allowing. Most hospital trusts are allowing 1 visitor but stricter visiting hours. Hope he's OK sending virtual hugs!

I think it depends on both the health board and the specific circumstances. Here it is one designated visitor but exceptions made if they need help because of mental health issues, children etc or at end of life

Apparently no one allowed. Spoke to the paramedic. He’s going for assessment and then they’ll see which hospital.

Thanks all! It’s been on the cards for a while but he’s very, ahem, difficult..

Is he old enough that he could be classed as vulnerable? I'm sure you could push for a visit.

These rules are ridiculous now.

@starryeyesuprise most of the current pressures on the NHS are due to staff shortages and the increase in non covid respiratory illnesses.

My area it was reported in the news that it's struggling due to case surge....... Actually there is 2 in ICU and 10 on a covid ward (friend works on the covid ward) but due to the self isolation rules especially associated with children they have staff shortages. Nothing to do with being overrun with covid cases.

Think what you like about England this virus is never going to bugger off the best thing SG could do is stop making pathetic excuses for their refusal to set up long covid clinics here and get the economy back up and running properly.

@StarryEyeSurprise

*every other country in the world with high cases .

To be fair, those other countries aren't as far advanced in their vaccination programmes as the UK, with the levels of immunity that go with that. 90% of the UK has detectable antibodies (a bit less in Scotland right enough). Would you keep measures till everyone is double jagged and release in the autumn/winter, or follow indy SAGE and wait until we've remodelled schools? Would you be happy for this to drag into next year or beyond?

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us is that 90% of adults or the whole population? X

[quote shouldistop]@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us is that 90% of adults or the whole population? X [/quote]
That's everyone aged 16 and over according to the ONS. I haven't seen data on under 16s - there will be some because of natural infection but it's likely lower as obviously they aren't vaccinated.

[quote shouldistop]@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us is that 90% of adults or the whole population? X [/quote]
It's adults but it's from the ONS who do antibody testing of adults and also if you've had covid your invited to take part (I've done it).

The proportion of children will be difficult to know without parents agreeing to blood tests as so many children are asystomatic!

My DS is definitely in the antibody group though! Also babies of BF mums who have had their jab! A recent study showed the antibodies only passed through the milk.

That's good news anyway. Yeah I read that study before I had my vaccination as I'm feeding baby ds. I suspect I also had covid in the early stages of pregnancy with him.

Just want to me it clear the ' ripping through the population' wasn't actually my term- it came from this.

Dr Deepti Gurdasani, a clinical epidemiologist from Queen Mary University of London who convened the press conference, accused the government of “effectively” pursuing a herd immunity strategy by “letting the pandemic rip through the unvaccinated”.

Dr Gurdasani said lifting restrictions will “create a generation blighted by a disease… they could have been vaccinated against in just a matter of weeks”.

“This government’s strategy is callous and inhumane. The government has completely abdicated its responsibility to the public.”

Anyway, that's good re babies receiving antibodies . I'm shortly stopping breastfeeding so hopefully one vaccine will have been enough!

The flip side of that argument is to look at the rate in England compared to Scotland currently though @starryeyesuprise. We have lower natural immunity due to stricter lockdowns and its "ripping through" the population with measures in place! In England its no where near as bad as there is a level of natural immunity including children as they had big outbreaks especially around and just after Christmas.

With new variants which come along which they no doubt will as we are on what variant 15 or something from the original source one those with immunity are less effected and the variants are getting more and more transmissible.

I know personally how much this disease sucks trust me but quite a large part of me also has a huge relief element as I know DS has a level of protection for quite a while to come and t cell memory. For an illness which is now to remain globally within our life times a level of immunity can only be a good thing.

Like I've said multiple times they should switch focus into how to help people who do end up like me more efficiently and also take it seriously. One GP this week told me that a lot of long covid is in peoples heads...... A complaint went into my practice straight away for that one!

@starryeyesuprise yes study is showing antibody transfer til 29 days after first jab but only 7 days after second extract below its on the breastfeeding drug network page under faq and then latest research drop down if interested.

The study included 32 breastfeeding women who had already decided to be vaccinated. They received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine, given in two doses, 21 days apart. The control group included 28 breastfeeding women who were not vaccinated against COVID-19.

COVID-19 antibodies were found in the breastmilk of all vaccinated mothers, but not in the breastmilk of mothers in the non-vaccinated group. The antibodies reached the highest observed level at around 29 days after the first dose (7 days after the second dose), and were still present at around 43 days after the first dose (22 days after the second dose).

Research looking at mothers who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 has shown that their breastmilk also contains antibodies to the virus, and that in a lab, this breastmilk is able to neutralise the virus. This means that breastmilk containing antibodies could give breastfed infants some protection against the virus.

That's interesting and good news about breastfeeding @Scottishskifun
Thank you for sharing

We are also testing far more in the uk than anywhere else. So loads of positives. Not Illness

[quote Scottishskifun]@starryeyesuprise yes study is showing antibody transfer til 29 days after first jab but only 7 days after second extract below its on the breastfeeding drug network page under faq and then latest research drop down if interested.

The study included 32 breastfeeding women who had already decided to be vaccinated. They received the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine, given in two doses, 21 days apart. The control group included 28 breastfeeding women who were not vaccinated against COVID-19.

COVID-19 antibodies were found in the breastmilk of all vaccinated mothers, but not in the breastmilk of mothers in the non-vaccinated group. The antibodies reached the highest observed level at around 29 days after the first dose (7 days after the second dose), and were still present at around 43 days after the first dose (22 days after the second dose).

Research looking at mothers who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 has shown that their breastmilk also contains antibodies to the virus, and that in a lab, this breastmilk is able to neutralise the virus. This means that breastmilk containing antibodies could give breastfed infants some protection against the virus.[/quote]
Thanks, good to know! I assume that antibody transfer gives long lasting protection?

@WouldBeGood hope your DF is ok and gets the treatment he needs.

Certainly feels like Covid is ripping through Edinburgh now. Our local ( made famous by a certain non mask wearing leader) is closed due to covid, my favourite Thai had a phone message saying they were isolating and the hacking coughers following me round the supermarket- plus the weirdly empty shelves don't know what that was about - was weirdly reminiscent of March 2020.