Here we go again with the Rangers fans.

[forfucksakenett]

So irresponsible. Here we go again. Will Glasgow ever be out of lockdown?

Yes @Bloodypunkrockers. And they'll all play together after school.

@Christinayangtwistedsister is right, this deep seated bigotry is learned at home. On both sides.

So gone are the days of everyone in the street going to the "local comp"

Local comps dont exist here

@ssd

Local comps dont exist here

Quite

I was being polite and assuming she meant the catchment secondary

@Quincie

I'm in Scotland, Scottish but have lived in different parts of the U.K. and abroad.

• obviously separate schools are wanted and will stay.

If nothing changes the problems will continue.

They're not 'separate' schools though. The children attending Holyrood follow a wide variety of religions. You're trying to create something which isn't there.

Yes. And I chose for mine to go to an RC school even though one is CoS and the other is no religion

And as I said before, they're not bigots

So, what’s the solution then ?
My DH and I left Glasgow 20 odd years ago and we cannot believe the level of sectarianism that still exists in the West of Scotland.
One of our DS wanted to support Rangers so he could be like his Glaswegian cousins, other cousins are Celtic fans.
DH and I were horrified and tried to explain what the Old Firm rivalry was like growing up in Glasgow in the 1970s and 1980s and the total disgrace that is sectarianism.
Our DC couldn’t get their heads round it.
That’s one aspect of living in Scotland that we don’t miss at all.
It’s a pity that there seems to be no improvement in this unsavoury part of Glaswegian culture.

@UmpteenthTime

So, what’s the solution then ? My DH and I left Glasgow 20 odd years ago and we cannot believe the level of sectarianism that still exists in the West of Scotland. One of our DS wanted to support Rangers so he could be like his Glaswegian cousins, other cousins are Celtic fans. DH and I were horrified and tried to explain what the Old Firm rivalry was like growing up in Glasgow in the 1970s and 1980s and the total disgrace that is sectarianism. Our DC couldn’t get their heads round it. That’s one aspect of living in Scotland that we don’t miss at all. It’s a pity that there seems to be no improvement in this unsavoury part of Glaswegian culture.

This sort of attitude annoys me. The thought that oh i wouldn't let my child support a team etc etc. Well guess what, plenty kids do, and they don't turn out to be bigoted idiots. And do you know why....big drum roll....shock horror....We bring them up right and we teach them right from wrong. Its not rocket science.

There's a dearth of suggestions on what can/ should change and how to do it.
What can be done - Government? Ss? Police? Education?

Well, a start would be the government and police taking this seriously. I don't recall a lot of outrage at this or a lot of arrests, in fact I don't really see many consequences at all

What can be done - Government? Ss? Police? Education?

It's a big part of education programmes in areas where sectarianism is rife but at the end of the day the schools can only do so much if the children are then going home and hearing/seeing the exact opposite.
First thing I would like to see is the government ban the orange walks and the police come down harder on any sort of sectarian abuse (including singing vile sectarian songs) or assault, they actually need to charge those that do. Clubs should be fined if sectarian songs are sung in their stadiums. It will take a long time for views and attitudes of thise instigating sectarianism to change, but as long as they are allowed to continue without any kind of reproach then there is literally no chance of it ending.

Agree Honey

@ssd I’m not suggesting for a minute that all Rangers/ Celtic fans are bigots.
Apologies if it came across that way.
As usual, it’s a minority that ruin it for perfectly law abiding people.
The Old Firm has some pretty negative connotations and once we left Glasgow, it was something we were happy to leave behind.
I remember the first time someone asked us what team we supported on a return visit to Scotland and it was unsettling to be reminded that there’s usually a whole different agenda to someone asking that question.
As long as some Rangers fans/ thugs think they can get away with rioting every time they want to celebrate something, I guess they’ll keep on doing it.

The first thing that needs to be done is banning Orange Walks 100%. It's disgusting that they are allowed.

I think the orange order is connected to freemasonry- a secret society (or it was)- certainly in the past the police were supposedly highly represented in the Freemasons. I don't know if that is still the case or if TheFteasons are as powerful as they were but if it is still powerful it would make it harder to implement changes. Also bans women .

Of course there's the whole NI link with many NI based Rangers fans....

@Quincie

I think the orange order is connected to freemasonry- a secret society (or it was)- certainly in the past the police were supposedly highly represented in the Freemasons. I don't know if that is still the case or if TheFteasons are as powerful as they were but if it is still powerful it would make it harder to implement changes. Also bans women .

The Orange Order and Freemasonry are entirely separate, and are not linked in any way.

You seem to have very little understanding of the issues being discussed on this thread.

But yes, banning Orange Walks would be a very good start in tackling sectarianism, and should have been done long ago.

The link was mentoned on a radio 3 discussion programme - my ears pricked up because I'd not heard of that before. I will have another listen if I can find it.

I'd like to see some recommendations from the Scottish govt, personally. Banning walks sounds ok, as long as it doesn't push them to further extremes - hate speech and violence are both crimes so you'd have thought perhaps some prosecutions might be a good steps

They were not 'fighting each other '. The thugs were, as usual, wrecked on Buckfast and looking to batter others. As everyone else knew this and stayed away, they started battering each other.

I totally agree. My point was they are looking to get drunk and fight irrespective of who they are fighting and when it comes to Rangers vs Celtic half of these people couldn't even tell you the real history around it, they just know that they should hate each other.

Celtic fans do not have a reputation for being just as bad

They do, whether it's justified or not is another matter. You just need to look at this thread to see that people who don't even care for football view the two teams as relatively similar in terms of behaviour.

@Morgan12

The first thing that needs to be done is banning Orange Walks 100%. It's disgusting that they are allowed.

100% there is no place in Scotland in 2021 for Orange Walks or Hibs walks .

There will be Palestinian support marches aT the weekend and probably Israeli too, I don't think you can ban marches

You should be able to ban marches that are specifically about hate speech and intimidation and have a decades long history of violent conduct.
I'm not Catholic (nor Protestant) but Orange walks have disrupted, intimidated and embarrassed me my whole life.

I don't know, it's a fine line, will there be hate speech at the pro-Palestinian marches?

Personally think they should be looking for and prosecuting those crimes if happening on marches rather than the right to march itself.

Why do we stilll have Catholic schools and non catholic or non denominational as they are called? Why cant ALL children go to their local school, then have seperate RE lessons when needed ?
I am from a mixed religious family,the half on my fathers side are Roman catholic and my mothers side Protestant, I dont get Glasgows religious divide in schooling. I believe it breeds religious bigotry, and then encourages the division into Celtic and Rangers, no amount of telling me otherwise will convince me, we are making children from a very early age think that religion divides and seperates us all.