Feel depressed about the future

[Hobnob39]

The election results have made me feel really bluuuuerrgh.
I HATED the divisiveness of indyref1, I don't want another referendum. I want our government to do a better day job, but independence is going to be the focus until it happens now isn't it? I don't want independence for the same reasons I didn't want Brexit - I feel we shouldn't be dividing ourselves off into ever smaller parochial wee groups who all think we are somehow better than everyone else. It's enough to make me want to move... my DH is English and he wants to, but I have resisted, but it's getting harder to explain why. The only problem I have though is that I see the results in England and feel they as bad - I don't understand why people who are shafted by the Tory party are the ones voting for them! I just do know where I belong now. It feels to me that Scotland is stuck with SNP and England stuck with Tory, and I'm adrift as I don't feel either represent me. Anyone else?

They held the St George flag at an inde march🤣 The same flag usually raised with pride in the gardens of English Brexit leave voters. Cringe.

Perhaps you could bus up some Morris dancers across the boundary to accompany you on the next inde march?

The St George flag is a great flag! I love it, I love seeing it flying on church towers in England. Love seeing it on St George's Day. It's a shame some people are embarrassed by it because of its hijacking by certain groups. We need to reclaim it.

As for Morris dancing, my old stomping ground in Bucks and Oxon is full of Morris groups of all kinds, traditional and more alternative. It's no more cringeworthy than any other tradition.

It's quite interesting though that you use the word "cringe".

@Bytheloch

Exactly. I've walked Indy walks with the English side of the family (holding their English flags) and they're welcomed.

They held the St George flag at an inde march🤣 The same flag usually raised with pride in the gardens of English Brexit leave voters. Cringe.

Perhaps you could bus up some Morris dancers across the boundary to accompany you on the next inde march?

what an ignorant post. why would you cringe at the St George flag for one thing?

I don’t know anyone in amongst my family and friends who would carry the St George flag around in public and feel safe to do so- that applies in Scotland and England. Latterly it’s associated with ‘leavers’ of a certain age and not in a nice way. If the PP had relatives still residing there, she’d know that.

I thought Morris Dancers might portray some ‘English’ support for the cause. They do pair nicely with a St George Flag, which could make for some terrific virtue signalling at the next zombie inde march.

My father has a flagpole and flies both the union flag and the St George's flag intermittently (he lives in England). The local church has it flying constantly. Loads of churches do.

Obviously I'm familiar with the safer parts of England.

Oh come on flag flyers in England are considered nutters - people are too polite to say that.

I cringe at all flag flying these days, whether the union jack, the saltire or st george flag. All too bound up in toxic nationalism for me now.

Someone the other day had a purse with a saltire on it and felt the need to qualify that it was a present and she hated the SNP. I barely know her and we've never discussed politics so she had no idea of my feelings on the matter.

Well, let’s be having all those ‘English’ in Scotland proudly waving their St George Flag at the next march for inde then. Happy days. You’ll be made to feel welcome, I’m sure.
Proudly English. Backing separatism.
It’s a catchy slogan for a banner, don’t you think?

@LexMitior

Oh come on flag flyers in England are considered nutters - people are too polite to say that.

All of them? Really?

I can only say then that I don't think all people who fly flags are nutters. I like seeing the St George's flag in the same way I like seeing a Saltire, and also in the same way as I like seeing county flags flying, which is becoming increasingly popular.

That some/many people use it as something other than a way of displaying civic pride doesn't diminish my pleasure at seeing them when I'm out and about.

To be fair there are English Scots for yes who carry a banner and the English flag at indy marches. It is a thing!

We're not oligarchs just middle class

Thanks for making me smile!

@SixesandEights

Exceptions are made for football and the Church because those are "English" but flagpole people and flag flying people are nutters. You don't want to live next or near someone like that. There have been a few threads about it on MN.

Its not a thing I see in an area with any cosmopolitanism - it is something I see in deprived areas with little else going for it. And perhaps a few really overinvested patriots in the countryside who are mercifully away from nearly everyone.

@Graffitiqueen

To be fair there are English Scots for yes who carry a banner and the English flag at indy marches. It is a thing!

Exactly.

If there is another referendum and it's a another "no", then it will kill off plans for independence for decades.

@LexMitior we probably will move if this kicks off again. I’ll spare you the details of current practical difficulties, but it’s in the future plan

Fair enough @LexMitior. I'm not closely familiar with either deprived areas or cosmopolitan areas other than city centres. My experience is middle England based I suppose, county towns, semi rural areas. The people I know don't in the main raise their eyebrows at flags in gardens.

In fact, for St George's Day this year a local, quite posh, town had the holders they use for the Christmas trees on shops filled with St George's flags. It was a bit overwhelming imo, but definitely not nutter territory or unsafe in any way!

Sorry your kid has to go through that WouldBeGood.

@Bytheloch

I don’t know anyone in amongst my family and friends who would carry the St George flag around in public and feel safe to do so- that applies in Scotland and England. Latterly it’s associated with ‘leavers’ of a certain age and not in a nice way. If the PP had relatives still residing there, she’d know that.

I thought Morris Dancers might portray some ‘English’ support for the cause. They do pair nicely with a St George Flag, which could make for some terrific virtue signalling at the next zombie inde march.

Huh? I do have family who live in England.

I long for the day when our independence day can be celebrated - pipe bands, highland dancing, just like the parades in NY. It's quite sad that other countries love Scottish culture and celebrate it more than we do here.

Christ alive, that sounds like a scene from a Hallmark movie🙈

Food stalls on the corners selling porridge and stovies, no doubt. Our heroine has red etc. That kind of thing.

My second cringe of the day.

*Red hair.

Brigadoon

I think the part that makes me cringe about the sort of highland dancing pipe band independence celebration vision is that, like most nationalism across the world that I’m
familiar with, it feels to me like reinvented, reimagined, reconstructed past and nationhood. A story we tell ourselves.

The cringe is strong in these ones. Dear oh dear.

My cousin's family are a famous pipe band family. Nearly all of them, over 3 generations currently, play either pipes or drums. It breaks my heart that you look down on this as being parochial or something. I think Scottish culture is amazing and I'm proud of it, Gaelic singing and all.

I know lots of pipe band folk and I used to sing in a Gaelic choir. Carry on making assumptions though!

Mandatory Strip The Willow lessons at school in the lead up, instructions on their free laptop. After their free breakfast, Children will cycle in on their free bikes to perform the dance in George Square on the day. Free Irn Bru on tap, the sugar free version for all indoors to celebrate the day. Full sugar version-until 8pm- for those adults seated outside at one of the four hospitality venues that survived the recovery period.

Sigh. It’s the dream.

I haven't assumed anything. Your post specified that it makes your cringe.