Guilt Free Railing 5

[WouldBeGood]

Just in case railing remains required.

Yeah or that they’ll ask to see a driving licence. I’m not sure if you’ll be able to just turn up to the zoo or if you’ll need to book your entry as they had when they reopened last year. If have to book online you’d need to put in a billing address for your payment card, or if you’re a member they’d have your address.

Edinburgh Zoo has a full on SG rules supporting message on their Facebook page.

A weekend away would be fabulous @WouldBeGood, go and enjoy.

Five sisters zoo is a good wee day out, I can't imagine they'd be as stringent as Edinburgh.

Edinburgh zoo is saying they will be checking postcodes - and are prepared to turn people away if they are from outwith the area - just got an email. I am risking some slightly out of area bookings but smaller places. Can't do another holiday of trying to entertain DS with walks / playground / woods. We've all had enough.

I really don't understand the difference between "stay at home" and "stay local" the way the SG has implemented it. Yes, we're allowed "non essential trips", but there is nothing non essential that we are allowed to do now (or tomorrow) that we weren't last week as far as I can tell. So we can meet with another household (up to 4 over 12s in total) outside, but we were allowed to do that anyway - for exercise (essential) or to sit together for leisure. Maybe we can now do "sitting for leisure" in public rather than just in private gardens? Though Edinburgh zoo has been open (outside) since the rules were changed to allow 2 households in February, and that was advertising picnics were allowed between the 2 households, which sounds like "public leisure" to me. If we can't do non essential trips indoors (cos everything is closed) and can't travel legally to do non essential outside trips outside our local authority, I really don't see the difference!

Had the "stay local" been a "message" , as NS announced it would be originally that would make sense (as in England, who suggest minimising long distance travel, but if you want to travel for a day out, you can, anywhere in England). But, as usual, we're such in the same situation as before, with it being billed as a huge change.

Absolutely @ResilienceWanker, no difference except in terminology.

I’m also really annoyed that the press are reporting all schools back after Easter as it’s not yet decided!!

On the plus side, heard from DS’ school and it sounds like it will be pretty normal if they do go back. Except the masks 🙄

I think the law that prohibits travel is being lifted and stay local is only guidance? Might be wrong though.

It’s changing from “you must stay at home unless you have a reasonable excuse to leave” to stay local.

It reads like "Stay local" means you can just do 'non-essential' things within your LA.
The Govt website from 30th March says "Restrictions on non-essential travel across local authority boundaries will remain in place. People must stay within their council area for non-essential shopping and should only travel to another area for essential shopping if there are no practical alternatives. People should also continue to work from home where they can to prevent unnecessary contact that could risk transmission of the virus." which sounds like the law remains until the 26th April?

Edinburgh Zoo can probably fill up with locals, but if I was a member who lived outside the city I’d be very disappointed with that way of operating and would be tempted to cancel my ongoing support. No difference between a local arriving in a car to someone from Fife Council area. It’s not up to the business to enforce the rules around travel, they just need ‘covid safe’ premises to open and they won’t be prosecuted for letting anyone in from outside that area.
(For reference: politicians leaving their own council area, turning up to ‘covid safe’ premises of TV studios to take part indoors in a tv debate...the zoo is outside FFS!)

Maybe they’re in with the government and China cos the pandas 😂

Someone has posted it’s to keep people and animals safe.. not sure how that works!

Maybe they are scared of the Pandas getting the Glasgow version of covid.

But yes there is no difference between stay at home and stay local, its playing with words.

@jerometheturnipking

It reads like "Stay local" means you can just do 'non-essential' things within your LA. The Govt website from 30th March says "Restrictions on non-essential travel across local authority boundaries will remain in place. People must stay within their council area for non-essential shopping and should only travel to another area for essential shopping if there are no practical alternatives. People should also continue to work from home where they can to prevent unnecessary contact that could risk transmission of the virus." which sounds like the law remains until the 26th April?

Yes - but at the moment we can't do non essential shopping, either inside or outside our council area, because all the non essential shops are shut! OK, maybe we could go to sainsburys and come out only with a "seasonal garden decoration" or something, which would probably be classed as non essential, but (as has been argued to death many times) the shop is legally allowed to sell it (and always has been, except in Wales) because it is the "shop" which is essential, and not its individual products. And if they are positively encouraging frivolous visits to supermarkets to buy tat, why can't I buy the same tat from an independent tat-monger in the High Street, rather than that being forced to close for another 3 weeks.

Maybe they are focusing more around garden centres/ hairdressers/ car showrooms etc which currently aren't open but which will on Monday. But that's separate from the Stay Local law which is changing tomorrow.

It's flipping confusing anyway, and totally illogical. If the premises are "covid safe" whatever that means I can't see why I couldn't go to my normal hairdresser, for example, if that happened to be across a council boundary, rather than keeping my potential covid germs strictly within the hermetically sealed steel ring of my own council area... .

@shouldistop

I think the law that prohibits travel is being lifted and stay local is only guidance? Might be wrong though.

No, annoyingly the law is still there and will be til the 26th April at least. Though, as people have said, it'll be a fucker to enforce.

Ah ok, I genuinely though NS had used the word guidance at the announcement when she said it would be changed. Perhaps it was a mistake.
I don't care either way, I don't see what risk there is of being outside in a different council area.

Someone has posted it’s to keep people and animals safe...

I hope I can speak on behalf of the Stirling Council Covid Area residents, in reassuring Edinburgh Zoo management that we’d wear a face mask if we jumped the fence into any animal enclosure to film a TikTok and we’d use a hand sanitizer after. We’re really quite civilised here- you should see us at Blair Drummond behaving like the grown ups that we are🤣

@Bytheloch

Someone has posted it’s to keep people and animals safe...

I hope I can speak on behalf of the Stirling Council Covid Area residents, in reassuring Edinburgh Zoo management that we’d wear a face mask if we jumped the fence into any animal enclosure to film a TikTok and we’d use a hand sanitizer after. We’re really quite civilised here- you should see us at Blair Drummond behaving like the grown ups that we are🤣

😂😂

I’m off to look on TikTok

On the Edinburgh Zoo Twitter, someone in Musselburgh obviously with an EH postcode has asked if they can visit.
Zoo computer says no Zoo responds with no, it’s outside Edinburgh City council boundary.
Peak arbitrary rules.

So in return, don’t be going to Musselburgh for ice cream if you live in Edinburgh City Council Covid Area. They need to keep the ice cream safe.

I am going to Largs for chips. Don't care

Also, does anyone know when we are actually "allowed" to visit England? My Grandma is 83 and I'd like to see her this year just in case.

Has Nardinis reopened?

They said they were closing until restrictions lifted.

@shouldistop

Ah ok, I genuinely though NS had used the word guidance at the announcement when she said it would be changed. Perhaps it was a mistake. I don't care either way, I don't see what risk there is of being outside in a different council area.

You're right. She did say on 16 March that when this changed to stay local it would be guidance , not law. However, on Tuesday she said "the stay at home rule is being replaced by a requirement to stay local. This means that the current travel restrictions – which prevent non-essential travel outside your local authority area – will remain in place for another 3 weeks."

Obviously, no one has acknowledged the change in emphasis formally, and we still have "but we're doing the same as England only 2 weeks later - I don't know why you're complaining for the sake of 2 weeks". Except it's obviously no longer the same, as they are now allowed to travel anywhere in England (eg to see family "just because" rather than a "visit to a vulnerable person" ) whereas we can't do that until the end of the month without actually breaking the law. So basically a month later than England.

at the mask-wearing enclosure jumping.

I wish they would confirm trips to England too. At the moment it's mainland Scotland only from the 26th - with the rest of the common travel area still prohibited and "kept under review"... and we know what that means. Mind you, it may be that they don't want us, with our higher prevalence and whatnot.

@DeepfriedPizza

I am going to Largs for chips. Don't care

Also, does anyone know when we are actually "allowed" to visit England? My Grandma is 83 and I'd like to see her this year just in case.

S/c accommodation can be booked from the 12 April for leisure, in England. Ask those friends and family of mine who are going away with their kids during the Easter holidays. You can go anytime. As I’ve said on here before I have friends who are working and travelling that way and back every week. Don’t miss the chance to see an elderly relative because the Scottish government don’t even acknowledge the fact we have relatives outside our council areas, let alone another part of the U.K.

That's half the issue, Scotland are slower to raise restrictions than England and quicker to slap them back on.

Therefore the periods in between restrictions is incredibly short. Really bashing MH and the economy unnecessarily.

@ResilienceWanker I knew I hadn't imagined it. Thanks for confirming