Just in tiers with it all now ....

[dancemom]

New Thread, same old situation....

Difference between Scotland and England is that England has hope, people will work harder to get there. Scotland has no information past end of April followed by a kick in the teeth for many who's current levels are that of tier 1 but will be put into tier 3 which is adjusted.

When we have been told time and time again it's based on data. We'll no not really my area as like quite a few others is really low and at 30/100,000! How is that basing it on data?! Its not!

You can keep SG worshipping all you like for many people this is a kick in the gut with no sign of hope to bother working hard. As for me I'm looking forward to my English escape and holiday!

People are tired, weary and scunnered.

September since I've legally made my mum a coffee. I still don't know when I'm next legally allowed to do it. My wee mum, widowed less than 2 years ago, a wee jem who'd do anything for anyone. It looks like its going to be months yet.

England has hope because Boris gave an end date that he has no idea he can guarantee? That his scientists aren't convinced of?

So what you wanted today was for the SG to stand up and make empty promises? I'm sorry but that's utterly ridiculous.

I feel for everyone who's suffering but the drama on this thread is something else.

@GoldenOmber

What are the vast differences here between the English and Scottish plans

Well, England currently has a plan with indicative dates and a ‘restrictions stop here’ end-point. We can disagree about whether those indicative dates are good or bad but they’re there.

So what England’s got is a plan for returning to normality, and an assurance that we aren’t trying to eliminate covid. What Scotland’s got, currently, is a plan for returning to Level 3, and a big grey fuzzy area over what the end goal actually is.

Quite possibly they’ll both unfold at the same pace anyway, but people need hope and vision at this point, nor ‘check back in 3 weeks’.

Absolutely this. We've been doing this for a year, society is decimated, we need hope not more doom and gloom and 'caution'. The tone matters massively, even if the end result does end up similar (which it won't if we're going for 'maximum suppression'). I'm a pretty robust person but I'm actually developing an anxiety disorder on the back of this shit.

@WouldBeGood

All children are going back to school in England in 8th March, which is obviously a massive difference.

No levels n England. Clear plans of things opening all being well, with dates. Actual hope.

Or a complete and utter disaster. Time will tell. I actually much prefer NS cautious approach. She has room to speed it up. Boris's way is likely to lead to a huge spike with mutations with the opening of all school years at the one time. I am so happy its not happening here. Interesting to see how it pans out.

Just had a conversation with a neighbour who is anti vax. I asked her how she might see the way out of the current situation if not for the vaccine - her response she likes lockdown, doesn't want to go abroad ever (cannot see the point) loves watching tv and has an acre field for exercise.....

@tabulahrasa

Um... the dates are there, they’re only about a week or so different from England’s.

It’s just phrased differently as review on this date hoping to move to... rather than this is the date we’re aiming for but we’ll review it... ok, there’s no - restrictions end on this date bit, but lets be honest that’s a stupid idea anyway given Boris was expecting restrictions gone before Christmas already.

I’m not an SNP supporter btw, and it does seem sometimes like differences are there just fir the sake of having differences - but what’s been announced isn’t hugely different to England’s plan, it’s more or less the same one with little tweaks to it.

This.

But no, it's let's all shriek about 'hating her' and how she's despicable.

So far, so predictable.

I mean, what is the end goal here? I don’t need a definite date for the point where restrictions will go but I’d like to know that is at least what the government is going for, and there currently seems to be a bigquestion mark over that bit.

When can I see my family outside Scotland again? Next month? Next year? Ever?

I keep trying to remind myself that the English dates are actually prefaced by "no earlier than", and also reminding myself that BJ has form for lying, over-promising etc.
But it's not cheering me up.

For people like my Dad and brother Nicola can do no wrong, if she kept us in lockdown until 2024, asked us all for £5000 each to build a unicorn border they would actually be happy they are so anti English, anti Tory, anti Boris. Unfortunately there’s a country full of them who will go out and probably vote for her come May.

For the rest of us there’s no real opposition Lib Dem’s??? Labour??? Who else is there??

[quote IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021]@WannaCapybara but it appears our vaccinations don't matter. That is what is wrong with people. We have given up our lives, education and businesses to be told that actually even when you get both jags you will still be restricted?

The return to level 3 if we are good is just patronising bullshit. I appreciate that you are supportive of NS even if I don't understand why but today she needed to give this country hope not more doom and gloom. [/quote]
Yep! and it seems a lot of people just love all the gloom and doom, living up to their Negative Nancy reputations.

Fuck that.

“Scotland has no information past end of April”

3 weeks at level 3, planning to go into level 2 at that point and then switching to weekly reviews going down a level every time... which potentially takes us into level 0 for the 14th of June and no restrictions for the same week as England.

It’s basically the same.

I wanted the SG to stand up today and give hope based on data. Putting the whole country into tier 3 in 8 weeks time isn't focusing on data if they are back to regional differences. They aren't basing it on data though just their determination to keep following a elimination strategy regardless of people's mental health and the economy.

Since when “an assurance we aren’t tryin to eliminate Covid” a good thing?

Turkeys voting for Xmas.

My area had very low rates until recently and they’ve shot up recently to 65 per 100k. That’s about doubled.

Very dangerous time to be complacent.

@Scottishskifun do you have better data than the government then?

Ffs this is ridiculous.

I want hope based on made up data in my head that I just want to be true but isn't.

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@tabulahrasa yes 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

It's exactly the same without the bullshit showboating

@tabulahrasa

“Scotland has no information past end of April”

3 weeks at level 3, planning to go into level 2 at that point and then switching to weekly reviews going down a level every time... which potentially takes us into level 0 for the 14th of June and no restrictions for the same week as England.

It’s basically the same.

They have to hit the Who 6 requirements to move down a tier so the only place likely to be hitting that is Shetland and Orkney!

[quote kurtrussellsbeard]@tabulahrasa yes 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

It's exactly the same without the bullshit showboating [/quote]
SCHOOLS!

@LunarCatAndDaffodils

Since when “an assurance we aren’t tryin to eliminate Covid” a good thing?

Turkeys voting for Xmas.

My area had very low rates until recently and they’ve shot up recently to 65 per 100k. That’s about doubled.

Very dangerous time to be complacent.

Exaclty @LunarCatAndDaffodils

This is the new variant and it will rise quickly if we don't do it wisely.
I think NS has done the right thing. Going easy and wait and see.
UK government has made a bad move with schools if they are just firing them all back.

Since when “an assurance we aren’t tryin to eliminate Covid” a good thing?

Because eliminating covid would mean closing all UK and international borders, indefinitely, and carrying on with isolation and local lockdowns, also indefinitely. For a virus we can effectively vaccinate against. You might be happy with that trade off, but lots of us are not.

@WouldBeGood

Two weeks difference?

English CMO advising against it. English CSO advising against it.

You can put it in caps lock all you like.

@GoldenOmber

Since when “an assurance we aren’t tryin to eliminate Covid” a good thing?

Because eliminating covid would mean closing all UK and international borders, indefinitely, and carrying on with isolation and local lockdowns, also indefinitely. For a virus we can effectively vaccinate against. You might be happy with that trade off, but lots of us are not.

There are always new variants to nurture if we don't get it low. Then the vaccines will be useless.

[quote kurtrussellsbeard]@Scottishskifun do you have better data than the government then?

Ffs this is ridiculous.

I want hope based on made up data in my head that I just want to be true but isn't. [/quote]
The data I have is the SG data just appears the SG isn't following their own data!!!!

Look at a heat map - borders, Aberdeenshire and Aberdeen City all at tier 1 levels! That's not me making up the data that is the data! So yeah completely agree of ffs because its not based on their own data!

Going easy and carefully is the best plan. Its a race between vaccinations and cases. If they can slowly ease out of lockdown, vaccinations will be winning. If not, a rise in cases will overtake vaccination.
We always have the potential to ease up quicker. Much more sustainable than locking down again.
Everyone wants to come out of lockdown. Just not at the expense of creating another one.