Just in tiers with it all now ....

[dancemom]

New Thread, same old situation....

[kurtrussellsbeard]

It's dead simple @GoldenOmber: not enough folk are vaccinated.

[kurtrussellsbeard]

@Fortherosesjoni70 thank God someone else sees it!

[GoldenOmber]

@kurtrussellsbeard

It's dead simple *@GoldenOmber*: not enough folk are vaccinated.

Not enough people are vaccinated for what?

[kurtrussellsbeard]

@GoldenOmber hahaha that did make me laugh.

[MaxNormal]

No-one is saying open it all up tomorrow though are they? But ffs, nine more weeks of lockdown and then if you're very good you get to go into a tier which changes precisely fuck-all beyond being able to go to the nearest Primark to replace your tattered undies.

[Scottishskifun]

[quote kurtrussellsbeard]@Scottishskifun wow! I genuinely wasn't expecting that answer. I'm actually well impressed. That changes things. You'd best phone them up and tell them they've got it wrong. If that doesn't work I'd go to the papers and kick up a stink. Are you'd seriously telling me that the medical teams in all 4 nations are analysing their data incorrectly? [/quote]
It's not generally medical teams that do data analysis, it's data analysts, staticians and different departments in universities.

The mathematical models all produce different level outcomes due to the nature of modelling it depends what its taking as the dominant factor and variables used.

The current prediction models show slight elevation levels for time period but when vaccinations are taken into account it then reduces the levels these are all models but hospital data from the past 4 weeks seems to support this.

A govt is always presented with the ranges. Without seeing which model the SG is using its difficult but it would appear to be using a model which goes to lowest levels of covid possible rather then one of the other ones. Models only make predictions based on variables entered as well.

So it doesn't change the fact that to put the whole country into tier 3 in 8 weeks time isn't based on the current data.

[GoldenOmber]

[quote kurtrussellsbeard]@GoldenOmber hahaha that did make me laugh. [/quote]
Okay, let’s take this back a step.

Are you aware that there is a middle ground between “scrap all the restrictions now” and “keep all the restrictions in place forever”?

[StarryEyeSurprise]

The SAGE recommendations..

[MaxNormal]

As long as enough people are vaccinated to keep hospital admissions low enough, that's it. No reason to keep us all locked down.

And I'm bored of hearing about varients. It's become abundantly clear that they tend to mutate in one particular way, having now done so independently in a number of locations globally, none of them stop vaccines working so far and they're working on boosters that take that into account anyway.

[kurtrussellsbeard]

@GoldenOmber are you aware that that isn't what was announced today?

[littlbrowndog]

It’s a virus. There will always be new variants. It’s whack a mole

This virus will be with us. For ever

We have to learn to live with it

Like we live with flu and the vaccines are adjusted

[GoldenOmber]

[quote kurtrussellsbeard]@GoldenOmber are you aware that that isn't what was announced today? [/quote]
That what isn’t what was announced today? Honestly, you seem to be unable to read anything I have actually said, or respond in any sort of coherent way.

[WannaCapybara]

It's not nine more weeks of the same though, is it?

Kids are going back to school, we're able to meet up with others outdoors (there might be other things I haven't properly caught up to yet).

I know it suits the agenda of many to claim we'll be in lockdown until the end of April, but that's not at all what was said. It's a slow easing of restrictions, just like what Boris said yesterday.

I genuinely worry about those on MN who can't seem to see any chink of light. It must be awful for your mental health.

[StarryEyeSurprise]

Which tie in with the SG's approach. I am gutted re self catering not being allowed at Easter in Scotland though!

[ApolloandDaphne]

I literally just want to go to my mums and have a cup of tea with her. She hardly goes out and neither do I. We have both been vaccinated. We pose no risk to each other. She feels the cold very badly so sitting in the garden will be no use to us at all.

[runningpink]

The level 0 from last year still had you distancing from your friends, limits on numbers for meeting indoors and outdoors, no travel to higher tiers so as expected no bloody hope of anything today.

Does anyone have a screenshot of the levels from last year? I recently deleted them and they have been removed from the Scot gov website unless I’m looking in wrong place.

[Fortherosesjoni70]

She said she would speed things up depending upon the data.
What is the big deal?
Gently for now. Then we can see what happens.
Open everything back up, nhs overwhelmed and back into lockdown.
No.NO NO

[kurtrussellsbeard]

@GoldenOmber

Pot. Kettle.

You're being ridiculously dramatic. You seemingly have no idea how a vaccine works or what it's for. There was no suggestion today that we would be locked down 'forever'.

[WannaCapybara]

@ApolloandDaphne

I literally just want to go to my mums and have a cup of tea with her. She hardly goes out and neither do I. We have both been vaccinated. We pose no risk to each other. She feels the cold very badly so sitting in the garden will be no use to us at all.

Then go! The risk is almost zero and who is going to stop you? Unless she lives in another country just go.

[JustTalking]

Ooh the mental health jibe.

[MaxNormal]

I genuinely worry about those on MN who can't seem to see any chink of light. It must be awful for your mental health

I've survived the trauma of a life-changing health incident and a year of being at the very sharp financial end of the covid restrictions and I'm still standing, so please spare your "genuine" worry for my mental health.

[Fortherosesjoni70]

Well i have an elderly mother who hasnt been out for months. I want to be able to take her out and feel things are back to a sustainable normal. Patience is needed.

[GoldenOmber]

@runningpink

The level 0 from last year still had you distancing from your friends, limits on numbers for meeting indoors and outdoors, no travel to higher tiers so as expected no bloody hope of anything today.

Does anyone have a screenshot of the levels from last year? I recently deleted them and they have been removed from the Scot gov website unless I’m looking in wrong place.

Level 0: www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-protection-levels/pages/protection-level-0/

Max of 8 people meeting inside, must maintain a 2m distance.

[anon444877]

I presume your elderly mother is in Scotland and not another part of the UK @Fortherosesjoni70