Guilt Free Railing 2

[WouldBeGood]

New thread, imaginatively titled.

I do not get why Zero Covid is so appealing to them at this point. You can’t do it without closing all your borders and making your population go through little lockdowns forever, and why on earth would you when there’s a vaccine?

I don't think they get how international the population is. Between us dh and I have close family in Austria, Canada, England, Ireland, New Zealand, NI and the Netherlands. Most of our friends are similar. The six year old daughter of a friend hasn't seen her dad in person for a year and a half now. We've been law abiding to this point (mostly) but that's not going to continue indefinitely. I want to see my family this year and I will be attending my Grandmother's memorial service this autumn (not in Scotland). Fil has kindly offered to pay any quarantine fees as and when required.

Yes, it’s quite telling that when they talk about travel outside Scotland they mostly say ‘holidays’. I don’t want to get boozed up in Ayia Napa, thanks, I want to hug my sister.

They don't seem to realise how much people travel for work either, and whilst I expect this will reduce long term there will still be a need.

But there's also a lot of young, relatively high earning people in certain sectors who are from overseas. My team is about 40% scot, 30% rUK, 40% European.

Stats if she keeps this up suspect your team will be much depleted before long.

I get that the lack of Exit Plan is one giant squirrel to distract from Salmond affair but not much point flying EU flags while simultaneously cutting off a large slice of the electorate from their families with no end in sight.

Thanks to everyone who was nice.

Feeling better today @WouldBeGood?

Just hopeless as opposed to tearful 😃

You and me both!

And so it continues, the lack of hope. Coupled with restrictions that affect well-being, and overall health. Leaving folk less well equipped to deal with covid if they do contract it.

Everyone’s sounding more fed up than ever, in real life, on Facebook groups etc. I don’t think people have it in them to be compliant with no end in site anymore. Imagine how it will be when England’s out at theme parks and beer gardens and we’ve just been allowed to meet an extra two people outside!

It'll be tweaked in time for the election, to make everyone so grateful for our "freedom" that we might show our appreciation by voting for another "freedom"

As someone who works in a uni now, it seems to be blended learning in every tier? So universities will be blended learning forever? that ties in with what my head of school was saying yesterday as well - no f2f in September and blended learning long term.

In fairness to Nicola (and I can't believe I'm saying that), I think Boris will have to change some of his dates. I think he's moving too fast, (and |Nicola too slow).

Time will tell who has the best approach I guess.

I was also thinking about the WHO levels. Surely they mean something else by level 1 and 0? They can’t be the same as the Scottish levels can they? Maybe by level 0 the WHO means no restrictions? In which case we are surely not meant to apply their figures to our levels?
Also if we’re following WHO recommendations I thought they didn’t think lockdown was a good thing

@ResilienceWanker NS appears not to know when Easter is as telling us our DCs can go back to school on Easter Monday. Personally I feel places of worship should remain closed anyway in line with non essential retail or gyms.

jabba yes, I heard no F2F in September from a colleague yesterday whereas previously our School had been talking about blended in September. DD is due to start uni in September and I am not even sure we will be able to visit the campus of her main choice before she has to decide (Applicants’ Events are all online which is fair enough but it would be nice just to have a walk around). Then I am worried about paying for accommodation she won’t be able to use. There is a massive mental health toll for young people.

@Dinosauratemydaffodils

I do not get why Zero Covid is so appealing to them at this point. You can’t do it without closing all your borders and making your population go through little lockdowns forever, and why on earth would you when there’s a vaccine?

I don't think they get how international the population is. Between us dh and I have close family in Austria, Canada, England, Ireland, New Zealand, NI and the Netherlands. Most of our friends are similar. The six year old daughter of a friend hasn't seen her dad in person for a year and a half now. We've been law abiding to this point (mostly) but that's not going to continue indefinitely. I want to see my family this year and I will be attending my Grandmother's memorial service this autumn (not in Scotland). Fil has kindly offered to pay any quarantine fees as and when required.

I work in the modern languages office at a university and therefore have a million colleagues who haven’t seen their families since God knows when and are feeling desperate. One friend from Croatia is drafting a letter to her MSP and multiple colleagues are asking to sign it.

We employ native language teachers and we need to know ASAP if we can get them over here for September. They are not going to want to work for us if they have to do it remotely from France, Italy etc. They are young postgrad students or recently qualified teachers who want the experience of living and teaching somewhere else.

There should be some sort of allowance for people with family outside Scotland - terribly unfair otherwise. A punishment for moving to Scotland.

Oh I have just HAD it this morning. Awake half the night with non-sleeping DC, another work day with a huge backlog of work I couldn’t finish because of WFH with children and my work being wankers about it, no end in sight for when I’ll get to see my family out of Scotland again, and only the vague distant hope that if we trudge on through this for two more months we might make it back to Level bloody 3.

Just done. Done with it all. I’ve stuck with everything all through this for the greater good, but I did it to save the NHS and prevent mass deaths while we waited for vaccines, not to live like this for fucking ever.

I would walk into the sea but I don’t think that counts as essential travel.

I'll be travelling to England this summer. I'm half English, NS can stick it up her bahookie. My dad died in December 2019 and my poor step mum has been alone since then, she had to shield but will have had her second dose of vaccine by the summer and she's desperate to see ds1 and meet baby ds.

yes my mum has sent me so many lovingly knitted jumpers for the DGC I'm drowning in hand-knits, poor woman. They'd been planning to come here to meet us but as usual they'll be met at the 'border' with pitchforks.

@jabbathebutt

In fairness to Nicola (and I can't believe I'm saying that), I think Boris will have to change some of his dates. I think he's moving too fast, (and |Nicola too slow).

Time will tell who has the best approach I guess.

It will be about compliance too- she could have announced mandatory root canal treatment without anaesthetic for all adults and she’d still get the faithful defending her. Boris has at least, given people an incentive to keep going, whether or not he changes the goalposts (though I think he’s on his last lifeline for that after the previous Christmas and Schools fail). Here, the added layers of cross border travel ban and knowing that even the end of April signifies new levels just incites non compliance. myself included as I’m going to see family in England in April As you say, I think we’ll get something just before the election, but surely she doesn’t think that low of us that we wouldn’t know it’s a pre election ‘bribe’ ?

She can't keep border controls between us and England in the summer surely. They are currently in place due to high covid numbers, once they go down then no mandate or authority to do this.

@rookiemere

She can't keep border controls between us and England in the summer surely. They are currently in place due to high covid numbers, once they go down then no mandate or authority to do this.

Well, they can just redefine what ‘high’ is, shortly? “Sadly England had four cases of asymptomatic covid in 50 million people yesterday, so it’ll be necessary to keep travel restrictions in place for another 6 weeks so we can continue enjoying the freedoms of Level 3 here in Scotland. Pleeeeeease be patient, just a little bit longer...”

@rookiemere honestly, I think she'll just do whatever she wants. I've not legally been allowed to leave my council area in god knows how many months now. If she can do that then she can tell you you aren't allowed to go to England.

Given he runs a Christian charity (currently under investigation) I think Jason will be well aware of when Easter is.