November Lockdown: Mibbes Aye Mibbes Naw

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Thread 3!!!!

So do we expect she will lockdown and use the furlough scheme before it runs out?

It'll be difficult for her to lock down now, after telling areas they will be level 1. I think if she has the power to use furlough that may be it for dirty, covid-ridden Glasgow and Lanarkshire though.

I think so. I'd be surprised if the uk government would agree to a situation where Scotland/Wales/NI could lock down at some unspecified date for an unspecified time, and they would pick up the tab.

As a result I think we'll be going up to something much stricter imminently

My two year old probably could have shown greater empathy and understanding than that f*ck womble. Not long ago this government was wanting everyone to go out for meals - in an absolute clusterfluster which cost £225m and caused a rise in cases. Now here we are. Felt so sad seeing the projected deaths would reach their highest the w/c 25/ 12 if drastic action wasn't taken. Yet again, he looked like someone pulled in at the last minute to cover, not the person who is actually the PM and should be leading the country through this horrible time. Yes, it all related to England but I'm sure we all have friends and family who are affected by this shower of .... .

Yes, reckon it adds up to Scotland following suit shortly too.

To me there is no justification for tougher restrictions here. Hospitality has already been closed for 3 weeks (when it was open in England) and home visits have been banned for 6 weeks (when allowed in England).

It would not be fair to businesses to shut them again when they’ve been told they’re opening on Monday and will have ordered stock etc.

Even in terms of infection rates, cases are coming down and are much lower than England (except perhaps in Glasgow and Lanarkshire). So I could possibly see her moving them to tier 4 but it would be very odd to close areas which have been placed in tier 1 or are on a downwards trajectory like Edinburgh.

Hopefully NS will want to demonstrate how her early action prevented the need for full lockdown.

I’m in Teir 1.5 too. I’ll not be locking down if the local cases stay at a similar level. I’ve only met friends in cafes etc. And I’m not prepared to loose that. 1 person has tested positive today out of the 22,000 who live here; the restrictions are already out of proportion for the risk.

she's just tweeted that decisions will be based on whether furlough applies to Scotland so nothing to do with health and number of cases then? outrageous!

Wonder what NS means by not "putting our own twist on the rules"? Surely people are either obeying them or not. Is she suggesting that they are not written clearly enough for people to understand and follow so people are making mistakes? Or that we should be going further and doing more than what the rules actually say? So when she said "you don't have to cancel prebooked holidays", it was putting our own twist on the rules to then travel on a prebooked holiday, and what we should have done is what she meant, which was "don't go on holiday" as any fule kno.

It all sounds a bit like policy making by passive-aggression and mild threat to me.

She has no justification to lockdown. The tiers are to prevent this.
There are a lot of unhappy ppl here, who will not just accept what NS says now.
She uses double standards and is always threatening us. Shes getting far too over-bearing.

Her statement definitely reads as if she will lockdown if the money is only available now.

I also think there will be a lot of pressure to prevent people travelling north to use non-essential shops and hospitality if those remain open in the Borders, D&G etc. Oh feck...they're going to ignore "the science" and that cases are stabilising and so on and go for the money and border control argument aren't they...

No she didn't Iwillneverbesatisfied.

Yup. She's already asked that we don't travel to/from England but I think the border (or lack thereof) will be used.

There was a tweet 2 scotslassie

"2.
@scotgov
will take considered decisions based on what is right for Scotland. A key point for us - which we hope to clarify ASAP - is whether extended furlough support is available only in November or flexibly for devolved admins. That could have an impact on our decisions."

yes, there was a tweet that very much read as though money came before health.

I see it now, thanks. Tbf she's right to be p*ssed as we were told by Dougie Ross that Scotland wouldn't have access to 'a penny more' that what was allocated for Scotland for the next 6 months ( business grants) and the much inferior replacement to the furlough scheme yet now, out if nowhere, it's- furlough's on again because England 's having to fully shut down.

The second paragraph of that statement reads similar too. They have to clarify the money situation.

And there is a later tweet saying treasury confirmed furlough available to Scotland.

so in the next few days she will definitely follow suit then, if only for the central belt

It makes sense to take a whole uk approach. It stops people travelling to go to pubs or shops. And no overnight stays are permitted so people won't think about going on holiday.
The money is available now and the numbers in Glasgow and Lanarkshire have been bad for ages.

There is absolutely no justification for locking down anywhere outside Glasgow and Lanarkshire. Cases are much lower than England everywhere else.

Cases in Glasgow are much higher than in some areas of England and the percentage of deaths in care homes in Scotland is higher than anywhere else in Europe. NS give the impression its all better here but that’s not true.
Watch her ditch her 5 tiers system in favour of lockdown now so that she can claim furlough money from the Westminster. Her tweet says it all. It’s all about the money

I agree it makes sense to have a whole-UK approach and I think the entire response should have been UK-wide tbh, though ideally not led by BJ but by an independent consortium from all the nations But it is really bloody annoying to have been in a lockdown-lite since the beginning of October, following from various other forms of restrictions for what seems forever, only to go back into full lockdown now when it looks like things are getting better over much of the country. There is no justification in terms of the numbers at all as ecosse says, yet it does seem inevitable from what NS is briefing/tweeting. It's the whole impending feeling of doom thing all over again. And now we presumably have to wait til Tuesday for all these various discussions to take place before NS confirms what's going to happen here.

Yip no justification for a UK wide lockdown. That's not right demented ma re percentage of care home deaths. Other countries had 66 per cent , we had 40 odd per cent. Regardless it's not really a great stat as just means more of the general public died outwith care homes.