Second referendum announced!

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Will your vote change next time?

Scotland would have to apply morrisZapp there would not be a an automatic admission. It would need to fulfill certain economical criteria, commit to introducing the Euro (maybe not straigth away but at some point) and sign up to Schengen. Spain, France and probably Italy would not be too happy about admitting Scotland considering its own regions which are seeking independence.

I thought there was precedence for when Greenland gained independence from Denmark. They were invited to remain EU members were they not? I have to say that even if there is no guarantee of remaining in the EU I'd rather take my chances as an independent country. I was a staunch No in the first Indy Ref too!
I cannot bear the utter incompetency and levels of idiocy that I've seen coming out of Westminster since the last referendum and now the gong show that is Brexit.

I don't think it's about giving control to Merkel or May. I think she means this to be about the voice of Scottish people and good on her for thinking that. Everyone has the right to stick with whoever they want to be with. We voted leave. They should be given the choice too. I have no concerns about their future EU membership etc. It's their country, their rule.

thought there was precedence for when Greenland gained independence from Denmark.
Thanks for that. I didn't know this

way to make the Scottish people feel their vote last time was valued... not.

As I understood the 'reverse Greenland' argument, the problem was that Greenland left the EU while Denmark didn't, which is a totally different proposition from a region of a member remaining (or joining) when the member state leaves. Geography presents additional challenges for Scotland in the EU while the UK is out - if Scotland is required to agree to free movement there must surely be a hard border between Scotland and England.

Im happy and hope that the outcome will be yes. The Yes side started with a base of 28% last time and managed to get their vote share up to 45% by the time of the actual vote. Polls now put us at 50% starting point. Lets hope we can use that to our advantage. Personally, i dont care about the EU overly much, its not a deciding factor in my vote, in that given a choice Id rather the Eu guiding us from afar than the selfish incompetent fuckwits at Westminster dictating us next door, but self autonomy (even if its a hard road to initially navigate) is the ultimate goal.

I voted yes last time and would vote yes again. DH was no last time but would vote yes this time because he feels WM backtracked on all the promises they made during the referendum campaign.
What wasn't clear to me from Nicola's speech was if a vote for independence will be assumed to be a vote to stay in the EU or if she would then have a second EU referendum? Because tbh if this is about giving people their say then surely you need to differentiate independence from our position in Europe.

Yes last time and yes again.

Oh no. Another fecking referendum.

Having seen the polarisation and unpleasantness arising from the last two, I am already dreading this. I voted Yes last time but really don't know how I'll vote if there's another one on independence: I think the economic argument is even less convincing than it was and as PPs have said there's no guarantee we would get into the EU - and if we did, I worry about the conditions that will be imposed to gain entry. Feels like a frying pan/fire situation to me.

Great. Can England/uk have another Brexit vote then because I didn't like the result of the last one?

The problem is, I think we are screwed either way, which is where SNP think it's worth the gamble at this point. The behaviour of the tories since Brexit has given me no confidence whatsoever that they have a clue what's going on, how to determine what's best for the UK as a whole & each region based on their specific issues & they also have a history of throwing Scotland under a bus when it comes to looking after their own demographic/followers.

On the one hand I think the timing - autumn '18 - is a good political move as we should know more by then what the areas of agreement are & who has been thrown under a bus to achieve the agreed points - but my god, the last one was horrendous & I'm not looking forward to another rammy lasting 18 or so mths.

Voted yes last time and will vote yes again.

Scotland should be self governing. EU and everything else including parties in government can and will be decided by Scotland after independence.

People in Scotland can make Scotland what we want it to be. This is not going to look like T May's red white and blue Brexit in my belief.

Great, let's spend all our money on another referendum; forget about our failing schools, hospitals etc.

Was a vehement and actively campaigning yes last time, but will be a no this time. I'm tired of the SNP blaming all of Scotland's troubles on Westminster with no recognition of how their own poor governance is contributing to key social issues. I've grown cynical to the point where I can only believe that running Scotland down is their key intention - because after all, they can then blame it on Westminster and use it to justify further referendums. Talk about a vested interest in not improving your country.

Fortunately I now work in London and only return to Scotland at the weekends, so I'll miss much of the persistent and omnipresent coverage of it all.

Any idea if the Scottish government will be paying for it?

Yes, how much does it cost to hold a referendum, and who pays?

No then and no now.

Yes, how much does it cost to hold a referendum, and who pays?

The last one cost £15.8m

news.gov.scot/news/independence-referendum-costs-published

Want to cry.

Brent's at $50/barrel. Doesnt make sense unless it's at least $100. I'm all for self-determination but I think if Scotland did vote to become independent TM would be doing a little fist pump under the desk.

Christmas No 1, 2020: "If you're still in opposition I feel bad for you son, cos I got 99 problems, but the Scots aint one"

I was yes last time and i am still yes now

Spain, France and probably Italy would not be too happy about admitting Scotland

An MEP from Spain's ruling party has said that Spain wouldn't block it, and that the situation is very different to Catalonia.

We could easily afford it, if we got £1 every time someone says 'does that mean we can have another EU referendum?'

Dear god, make it stop.

I don't understand the timing. Maybe as plectrum said, she feels Scotland is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't and, in some ways, I don't really blame her for that. I can't believe the car-crash that will be Brexit, even though I think I understand how the vote happened in England and Wales.

A truly altruistic approach to Scottish independence would use the next 10 - 15 years to invest massively in Scottish education and business, get the economy going robustly, then seek independence.

How does Nicola even think the economics stack up at the moment? Even if EU membership is accepted for Scotland (and at the last referendum, it met none of the economic criteria), how does she think Scotland will have even a fraction of sway or power that the UK, as a massive net contributor, did in the EU?

What level of cognitive dissonance must there be for her to reject a large single market in favour of a less important one?

I do get Scotland's frustration with Westminster, but I don't think separation from the UK is the pragmatic, logical answer. I think the quest for independence asap is still largely based on a deap-seated antipathy towards the English.