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Asked him to go,he did;how do I stay strong now?

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pinemartina · 20/04/2010 21:11

Posted my story on NPD thread.
On off 3 yr relationship with controlling emotionally and verbally abusive xp ,who came back on white charger in time for baby's birth and has been lovely until yesterday,when he resumed nastiness.Culminating in a visit by midwife during which he told her wild,untrue and mad stuff about me,suggesting I am mentally ill and unfit to care for dc's - eg that I run naked into the road at night and scream at cars to hit me,while he looks after the kids and rescues me.Told her I am lucky to have him and that no one else would ever put up with what he does - said I invite men back to sleep with me every time he is away! Lots more similar stuff.She was horrified and really concerned - for ME..said she had noticed how controlling he is.
When she left,I told him I could not believe the things he had said about me (and to me,this am)and that it had killed our relationship.
He got up and told dc's(in next room) that Mummy had asked him to go and that this time he wd only be back to see baby when they are away at their dads,so wd not see them again.
He asked me to make sure I got a "third party" organised for contact visits to protect him from allegations.
Then he went.
No stuff of his left.
My house.
At home now with 4dc's and 10 day old baby.
Sore after ECS and can't walk much or drive for 5 wks more.Breastfeeding constantly.Weepy.DC'S upset.Feel devastated and needy.now I've done right thing.Scared I'll let him back.Scared of doing this alone.
Really lonely.Have spoken to womens aid.They said I shd contact my local branch in the morning.I will.

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dignified · 08/05/2010 13:26

Is very difficult to disengage, it took me a very very long time. Freinds would be exasperated as they witnessed me being treated badly and tying myself up in knots at what his last text / conversation meant.

I KNEW , but wanted to see , wanted to know for absolute definate, so i would keep engaging in a bizarre dance of wanting to be wrong and wanting to be right about him. I never heard the term till recently , but its referred to as N Dipping, where you dip your toes in occasionally to check theyre still mad, to reassure yourself that your right , and to attempt to clear up old issues, ie , do they remember things as you did, ie, your holiday ?

The answer is usually No, theyre not here in this world like you and i are. Doing this is painfull but also serves a purpose . I would constantly ask him things, ie, how did he feel when our dcs were born ?, his responses usually horrified me. But i needed to do it , to check in on him and check he was still insane and that i wasnt the one with the problem, as he regularly insisted.

I dont have any contact now, but it took a long time , for too long i was like a child who kept touching the hot stove to see if it still burned, and it did.

pinemartina · 08/05/2010 13:33

Wow thanks for that D. That is it ,exactly!

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dignified · 08/05/2010 14:07

As you become more familiar with the fucked up world of the N youll be able to accurateley predict his next move because hes operating from a very basic system , once you know the system its easy ( a bit like gamblers who know the system ) Theres no more wondering or pondering , youll know why he does what he does.
To know the system youll have to know his reality, the way he sees the world, himself, and what motivates him.
Youll also have to work hard to reclaim your own reality and your sese of whats normal.

Theres some fantastic books that might help you see into his murky world
and as you know some fantastic websites, i think youve already been on the npd thread ?

I really would keep a diary , and id also record every single conversation you have with him, either invest in a cheap dictaphone or record discreetly from your mobile . Ns are vindictive and hold grudges for a very long time , and as you know, are convincing liars.

You really will need to protect yourself , i unfortunateley didnt as i honestly didnt think him capable and ive paid in every way you can think of. Please make sure you protect yourself, especially financially. Sorry i cant remember how old your children are , but i wouldnt allow contact either, again i did , and he simply abused them like hed abused me .

Be carefull re contacting him. If he decides to make allegations about you, a court may find it odd that despite your allegations of abuse, you have contacted him. Dont doubt either that he keeps your texts / alters them, or even records you. They are excellant information gatherers too and get a thrill from " having something on you ".

He is an emotional parasite , any response from you, whether its positive or negative , is like heroin to a drug addict. They have no sense of self so they steal yours. Expect him to step it up a bit in the not so distant future.

prettylegsgreatbigknockers · 08/05/2010 15:29

And so I had to call the police out AGAIN.

I didn't know whether he was coming today or not (teddy should have just known). We went to get passport pictures done and got back half an hour later than he was expecting us, so he launched a verbal assault on me, (my response was to look at the ground repeating "do not respond" over and over again), and refused to leave the house, so I rang the police. Told him that he is an abuser, that I will name his behaviour and that it is not acceptable.....You guessed it...I am mad, insane, need help, to which I replied, "and you are textbook".

This weeks corker of a lie:

H has already spoken to them and I am going to be done for wasting police time.

The officer seemed to think that I have grounds now to stop contact until such time as he seeks treatment. I will definitely pursue this on Monday.

ItsGraceAgain · 08/05/2010 17:05

Oh, thank god. And well done.

prettylegsgreatbigknockers · 08/05/2010 17:09

And police officer just rang to see if dd got back on time and that I am ok. things are very different these days. And good thing too.

JackBauer · 08/05/2010 17:36

well done prettylegs, you shoudl be feeling very chuffed with yourself right about now for dealing with that so well.

prettylegsgreatbigknockers · 08/05/2010 18:21

Thank you jack.

I am actually very wobbly indeed and have already hit the wine.

If I hadn't chosen him, I would now be at an industry conference, getting very drunk with colleagues, followed by a full English in the morning. We last went in '03, and I ended up in tears because he spent the evening glaring at me from the bar because I "spoke to people".

Ah......hindsight! Next year eh?

prettylegsgreatbigknockers · 08/05/2010 18:28

And Thank you Grace!!!

JackBauer · 08/05/2010 18:39

Of course you are wobbly, must have taken so much to do that, but have your wobble and your wine in teh knowledge that you did brilliantly today, perfect response to him.

prettylegsgreatbigknockers · 08/05/2010 18:53

It was the fact as well, that we (me and dc's) knew it was coming.

We were in Sainsbury's getting their passport photo's done, and they decided they wanted lunch in the cafe there, so I had to make a choice. I didn't know whether he was coming or not so decided to chance it. Shouldn't have to think like that in the first place!!!!!!

So I had abusive voicemails and texts, and the kids knew there was going to be trouble as they heard the phone ring/beep....and knew.

That's fucking horrible. Two kids terrified of what was going to happen, and then BEING RIGHT!

prettylegsgreatbigknockers · 08/05/2010 19:11

He's been in the house and taken stuff.

prettylegsgreatbigknockers · 08/05/2010 19:13

Will have to namechange again....Bye.

thisishowifeel · 08/05/2010 19:21

Poor prettylegs

pinemartina · 08/05/2010 22:51

PL oh no

DIGNIFIED thank you so much I will take that very seriously. My gut instinct tells me that he will very likely start all that stuff. H e carries a dictaphone everywhere and has had several court battles with neighbours in the past - I don't know details,only his stories,but he has described tactics he has used to "prove" he was the victim.And he seems to think he won on those occasions.

Only my baby is his.The other 4 will not need to see him again. It is contact arrangements I anticipate being his battle ground. I think it will start in earnest when he realises that I have moved on. I am sure he still thinks we will pick up again soon ,when the household is settled down with baby and stress is less - for him...

He will never accept me having dates or relationships in future. I am safe as long as that doesn't happen.Not on the cards for goodness knows, as yet,but I wont stay celibate/single forever if opportunity arises one day....

Wish I could do something,pl..Really feel for you.As all have said,you did so well.You are a fantastic M to your dc's.
Next year - yes - look forward,on and away.
I will too.
No more texts .Seeing solicitor Tuesday.

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islandwitch · 09/05/2010 01:00

PM,

I have read this thread through and I can empathise with your suffering.

My situation was not the same as yours as I have been away from my abuser for many years and did not have children with him.

The consequences of my traumatic,abusive and high drama relationship with him followed me for many years. In my 20s I self harmed regularly, drank to excess, chain smoked for 10 years, reinvented and had poor boundaries.

I still have good and bad days but have learned to live with my past. My DH is very supportive and having children has really helped me to heal.

I was diagnosed with PTSD when I was 19 in University. I understand now that my own childhood experiences made me vulnerable to this man and his own abusive, damaged background. I found reading self help books very helpful too, so read as many as you can to stay sane.

I like to think of myself as quite a spiritual person and have developed my Christian faith over the years.

I noticed that you mentioned earlier that you could 'see' and 'hear' him, with images of what he is doing etc.

There is a theory or idea if you like, known as 'psychic cording' between people who are in very close relationships- parent/child, lovers, best friends, twins etc.

These psychic cords are the unseen spiritual ties that bind people together. Time and distance make no difference to the bond.

In very close relationship( especially those which involve transference/counter transference of energy, trauma, abuse and negative emotion) you may experience what is known as 'emeshment' where you feel your partners emotions, experience their loss and saddness,childhood pain etc. You may dream about him a lot too.

It is possible that you are feeling you ex partner's feelings very keenly and experiencing them second hand- almost telepathically if you like. This may explain why you pick up on his emotions and feel still drawn in. This could explain why you 'see' images of him so to speak, as you are feeling his panic and translating those emotions into a picture of his life without you. Does that make sense?

Damaged, abusive men see their partners are literal extensions of their inner, true selves. This is why they love you and also reject you simultaneously. You become a replacement for their lost/non existent inner core being, but because they utterly despise that lack of an inner core, they are terrified of you power and will do anything to control you.

Well it depends on your view of these things and if you believe in spiritual attachments of this kind or not. ( I'm not mad- honest! ) but it many be worth considering if you are open to this idea. If you are, you may find if helpful to research psychic cords and how you can cut them to completely free yourself of his energies- emotionally and spiritually. Perhaps you could look at this later on, once your immediate situation has improved.

Resisting his emotional, or psychic 'pull' if you like will be very difficult. For his part, it is probably an unconscious need of you, but severing that link may help you psychologically push him away.

You must be very strong and free yourself PM- as much as you love him and understand his pain. The problem is, he perfectly understands your pain too and will use you to suck energy ( good and bad) to feed himself. He knows how much you love him and he'll use it against you to get what he wants.

It sounds as though you are still vulnerable to him. The split second you let your guard down he will start on you in whatever way feels right at the time. Many abusers are already very damaged themselves and so are highly attuned to the emotional fluctuations
of those they are close to.

They abuse to keep control; they release onto you and into you, to take you down with them, then entwine you immediately back up into a delicious enveloping warm stranglehold of loving ecstasy to make sure you love them for the mess they are, despite the cruelty.

Men like this only know extremes of emotion and you will be a ping pong ball forever unless you take control. I'm generalising here of course but many abusive men get a huge kick out of the extreme high and lows of this type of relationship as they play out their own senarios from a poor childhood.

Your children now need to see a strong, independent woman who can form healthy, happy relationships. He will destroy you unless you leave him. To him, you are his battle ground but also his saviour.

RUN and run and run with all your might and don't stop running until you are on the right side of the looking glass. Love him from there instead.

This sounds like a bonkas thing to say, but if you can look at him and love him from a distance rather than through him and with him, you are moving away successfully.

I suffered from Stockholm Syndrome for a long time and even now I sometimes reflect on much I loved him, all we had in common and how incredibly special my relationship with him despite the abuse.

See that solicitor and please get out if you can. I so hope you can leave him and start again with your children.

TimeForMe · 09/05/2010 07:12

What an excellent post islandwitch!! Absolutely spot on!! I finally left my abusive partner after 11 years. I am having counselling and my counsellor has introduced the psychic cord and the practice of cutting it. If you really give your all to it it definitely works. I use this visualisation on a regular basis now, especially before I know I am going to be seeing my ex. It works really well for me.

ItsGraceAgain · 09/05/2010 10:14

I did that, too Now and again, I still get out my special imaginary scissors to cut off any residual strands (looking very tatty & old these days, I'm happy to report!)

I found your post very interesting, islandwitch, thank you. You see the same things as me, from a different angle - and that's always empowering.

PM & PL - hope you're both okay today.

pinemartina · 09/05/2010 10:41

islandwitch - thank you so much for that beautiful post.
As TFM has said,absolutely spot on!!!

It's fascinating and wonderful that you should talk of psychic cording...

I have been sent a book by my uncle : The Art of Psychic Protection; by Judy Hall ,he has bookmarked the chapter on cord -cutting...I received this just after coming home with baby,4 weeks ago....it's lovely how we are shown things in this way when we need them,.
It is important that I start to work on this,now.

I am very open to all you say about connections and spiritual energy,I have been exploring these concepts for some time - trying to discuss with him over the past year,hopeful that we might heal together.

My belief in our spiritual bond and psychic connection has been a major factor in hanging on.
I had a very miserable childhood and still have a toxic relationship with my parents that I have to work consciously on to keep safe. I have never felt loved or lovable.
The intense,engulfing (controlling) drama with him has been horrifyingly fulfilling and satisfying.
Despite receiving terrible verbal abuse and scary anger on a regular basis,I have had the experience of him being able to:-

...."entwine you immediately back up into a delicious enveloping warm stranglehold of loving ecstasy..."

I have craved and sought this,sometimes moments after an attack - or pleaded for it in the face of terrific nastiness.
I guess that is what I experienced as a child with my fathers' violence and mothers' gaslighting and verbal cruelty.

And I do so feel for the abused little boy that he is.My professional self - I am a psychiatric nurse therapist - has found it abhorrent to consider running from him due to my faith in the possibility of change.And,of course ,he has exploited this for all it's worth with tempting little nuggets of hope - therapy-speak and improvements.He has been seeing a psychotherapist for many years,who I now believe is "feeding" him and enabling the continuation and maintenance of his "victim" persona. I have posted before about a joint session we had with her in which she failed to respond to a very scary outpouring from him,delivered inches from my face,in which he used apalling language.The Therapist merely asked me how I thought I might respond to his pain and went on to invite me to consider how I pushed his buttons.....

SO, yes,your advise is good.Run far and fast.
I know I am "addicted" to the extremes of emotion - its all I knew as a child,too.
Life is very "flat" at the moment.I have to work hard at thought stopping as my mind goes off on the path of "me and him and our powerful love".It is so painful.

I WILL show my children how to be strong.
I have another long road ahead.When I met him,I truly felt balanced and sorted for the first time in my life.
I don't know how I will be able to find and trust my inner voice.I thought it was telling me to hold on for him and our love.
I was clearly wrong there

Do healthy relationships ever have that sense of total connection?
That feeling of there only being two of you in time and space - like a head rush,but there all the time.
Or does that only occur in these situations,where there are attachment issues from poor parenting - catastrophic ones obviously?

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thisishowifeel · 09/05/2010 11:42

I said in one of the few relate sessions we went to, that I felt that would never be able to have a healthy relationship as I have been so utterly damaged as a child.

I had SUCH a traumatic day yesterday, andyet when his green dot popped up on facebook this morning, there was that adrenalin rush, and a sense that his stalking me makes me worth something to him. It's so twisted and wrong, and after what he did to me and the dc's yesterday was so wrong, why do I hold out any hope?

The psychic cord thing, or codependency or whatever it is, is SO painful to address, It IS like an addiction.

pinemartina · 09/05/2010 13:24

tihif
There has to be an answer to this
I don't want to waste any more tie in such pain with no edges.

XP will be 60 next yr...what a waste.He ought to be enjoying his little baby and indulging her,and him in the sunshine.
But he chooses hate,anger and utter bloody nonsense.

I am not prepared to do that.
I will be 42 in June and I want to be happy and free,

I also want love and companionship one day.
Without abuse.

I realise I have to place greater value on myself.I have done a lot of me- work and can hopefully get some self-esteem back.

I enjoy being with dc's and feel valued and fulfilled by being m to them

I will make and nurture friendships

But I have no idea how I will make ,build or trust in any other kind of relationship.

I thought this was real.It felt real.
I can see,beyond doubt ,thst it was not only not real,but was cruel,abusive and toxicv.
I am determined to cut the ties and am pretty sure I will,eventually.

But I am not sure that I believe in love as a possibility for me.Or if it is,how to find or believe a man again.

Not that I shall be pursuing this for a long while,but it is the shattered trust,confidence and optimism that I can't believe can be rebuilt.

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thisishowifeel · 09/05/2010 21:02

Funny how even an abusive encounter with them creates feelings of panic at the loss of them. That has happened a couple of times...probably more if I thought about it. That addiction thing

Reading between the lines...this is not just me?

I hate my life right now. A trusted "friend" is trying to "help" by getting in touch with my mother. I KNOW that her motivations are good, but...............

My kids are angry and confrontational, and I wonder again....is it me? I would love to run away to a flat on the beach and walk up and down the sand feeling sorry for myself...but I have meals to cook, homework to oversee, and wet knickers and bedding to wash, dry and remake. And I'm a "terrible parent" FUCK...IT'S so fucking not fucking fair.

pinemartina · 09/05/2010 21:53

tihif Breathe deep now,this feeling comes from the hurt child inside,she's the one who needs to have her terrible pain acknowledged.

Don't give the bastard the whole credit - he's pushed your buttons.And you are still doing really well where he is concerned.

You are absolutely right - it so isn't fair..it's very wrong.No one should be let down so badly by those we depend on for survival - m and d - ,we all deserve unconditional love,nurturing ,support - adoration even.

After all,this is what you give your own dc's isn't it?
That is why they feel secure enough to be angry and confrontational - rather than to seek to please and appease .
That is why you are choosing not to escape to the flat on the beach,you could,but you are staying with your dc's to provide them with more than good-enough love and care.

But I bet there are kind loving things you can do to nurture yourself,even little ones?
Tonight?
I just had a hot bath and read Take-a Break and Saturdays Guardian - my little weekend treat.

I am speaking to myself here aswell..

You are right,the abusive encounters do trigger panic...I think for me ,it's that terrible fear of abandonment,of my needs not being met - and that now ,in my situation,I will never have them met again,and the panic feeling wont ever go..

The way forward has to be what you are doing so well - therapy,support,books....practice,resolve,
TIME and hopefully this will ultimately lead to enough self esteem ,enough self regard and the ability to self nurture ,that - for me - I won't need that kind of crap any more
I want to feel that it would be ok to be on my own for ever if that's the way it goes....

Long road ahead

Be strong,don't let him break you,you are getting there.It won't always feel this intense

crosses fingers and toes,repeats like a mantra

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thisishowifeel · 10/05/2010 06:46

Thank you PM.

I suppose it is SAFE for them to express their feelings. No one will hate them for it, or judge them as mad or bad,only justifiably angry.

No I have not run away. Nor will I.

On Saturday in the middle of his tirade, he mentioned "love". I said that he has no idea what the word means, he is as incapable of feeling love as he is choosing paint colours. (How long have we stood in B&Q staring at paint! He simply s too terrified to choose between hessian and magnolia!!! Weird, till you read P Evans) I said to him "you are so disconnected from yourself you don't know how to FEEL anything!"

I don't suppose he was able to hear me.

Part of the addiction is the gaping black hole that he has left, me in my isolation, cut off and distant. I wish I could fast forward rebuilding my career and social life.

Thank you again PM.

pinemartina · 10/05/2010 11:43

tihif

That is a bitter one to swallow,I think; the thought that they are considered justifiably angry.Certainly true of my x ,even having walked out on his new baby.His dc's and friends think he is a saint for "taking on" a "single woman with 4 kids by 2 xh's" and then to top it all ,being "trapped" by my deliberate and deceitful pregnancy...poor man,did his best to sort me and dc's out,what with me being so unbalanced - who else would want such a heap of problems etc

I have had all that shouted at me so often,in so many ways that,although I know it is disgusting, I have taken some of it on - well only the part about "who else"...that's what kept me from ending it on so many occasions.Thinking it was my last shot at a family for us all.Which I do think - in the sense of a man being around for me and the dc's - it was...

That is the big thing for me to come to terms with.
I know I am not unbalanced and that all the dc's are great and that we are a positive ,strong family without any man.

But I wanted a mum and dad family

It was always - selfishly I suppose - nicer,easier, with xp around on a good day...
But I guess you cant have it all
Feels not fair ,though

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