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just admitted having sex with someone else

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homebirthmummy · 29/03/2010 21:05

I've never posted before, but I really could do with, well I don't actually know what I could do with.

my husband told me 2 hours ago that 4 months ago he had sex with someone else. At his works Christmas party, with someone he works with, and has seen since (taken our 4 year old daughter out with her daughter). In fact, our daughter joined the same ballet class as her daughter under my husbands recommendation, and I've sat with her drinking coffee and chatting shit.

I don't really know the reason I'm posting, I guess I just feel really sad, angry and lonely.

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teaandcakeplease · 04/04/2010 20:41

I agree with HW most people end up doing it on unreasonable behaviour as opposed to adultery as you have to prove they had intercourse.

Learning this all right now, as maybe divorcing my H, not because of me (as I wanted to work it all out) but because he still won't end affair and we've been separated 5 months

dittany · 04/04/2010 20:45

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ike1 · 04/04/2010 20:45

tea will he not admit to it and just get a clean break? I am currently doing this (same thing and time scale).

teaandcakeplease · 04/04/2010 20:52

Not sure haven't asked him. That was the solicitors advice to do it on unreasonable behaviour and state their relationship among other things. We should compare notes.

Sorry hi jacking thread again

ike1 · 04/04/2010 20:57

Yes I think that would be good.
(Sorry re hijack) I just remain friendly with the ex- we have agreed a clean break divorce because of adultery ( date I discovered texts). That's it. However I get the house, he has a small pay off and he just 'sees' the ow (he is buying his own house).

teaandcakeplease · 04/04/2010 21:13

CAT me?

ike1 · 04/04/2010 21:15

Gosh, what is that? (technophobic emoticon)

Divatheshopaholic · 04/04/2010 21:17

Homebirthmummy, glad to hear back.
Hope all get better for you all.

teaandcakeplease · 04/04/2010 21:19

Contact poster. By my name, to the right of it.

ike1 · 04/04/2010 21:29

tea I've just tried the CAT thing-didnt work - it might be my end - will try again tomorrow. (Just off to revise for my AS Psychology - all part of the 'process' ) good luck ladies.

serendipitous · 04/04/2010 22:06

Oh for fuck's sake. Stop bloody arguing. OP is an intelligent woman who has decided, for the moment, to give her family the chance to all stay together. No one knows if it will work but let's support her choice.

HBM - go for it, just make sure you carve out space for you too. X

tiredlady · 04/04/2010 22:14

Serendipitous,
I don't think anyone has told her not to give her marriage another chnce.

People are just advising her to be cautious, that's all

HappyWoman · 05/04/2010 08:16

dittany - i am sure there are lot of men who do go out their way to have affairs but for many affairs they start as friendships and develop.

It starts off as a moan - and if you get the support from someone else who is also having a moan then it can soon turn into an affair - where both sides simply cant believe they is much love in the marriage.

My h was like this - they had worked together for many years and were friends.
She would moan about her h too - with hindsight it was just normal everyday stuff 'he didnt load dishwasher, he sat and watched sport all weekend, he came in drunk........
I am sure my h has lots to moan about - i am not the tidiest of people.....
one night they go out together - it happens and they both enjoy it........
the excitement in the office
the texts
the thrill

I think they both thought they could handle it - for a while they were both glad they had marriages.

It became messy when her h found out - she left him for a while.

But now she is back with her h - and i would assume she is as horrified at the way she portrayed her h and family life.

I think with maturity it is easy to see the difference between someone having a moan and someone just wanting to get their end away....
These woman that sleep with married men are not all inoccent little things either - they also believe what they want to.

HappyWoman · 05/04/2010 08:23

I suppose what i am saying is - you need to surround yourself with 'friends' of the marriage.

If friends to come to have a moan - and sometimes it can be quite bad with huge arguements blown out of all proportion - i will try and calm it down rather than fuel the fire. iyswim.

VictoriasLittleKnownSecret · 05/04/2010 08:32

Someone earlier in the thread warned the OP that she would receive a variety of responses that would need sifting ...to realise who was posting from their own hang ups or own situations. Some of the responses will make her think, some will make her cry and some will support her.

I think most responses are valid and interesting because they expose so many viewpoints but I am surprised by the women who post in a uncompromising way which invalidates many marriages just because they don't measure up to their ideal.

Loads of us had 'ideals' when we married. I vowed for better or for worse. 30 yrs later... I left. In the intervening yrs I had many many happy times. I was once smug and probably would have posted on here in much the same way as Malificence. I had a long happy marriage.

What removed my smugness and made me a broken person for a short time was also the event that changed my marriage and allowed me to rebuild stronger. The thing that concerns me is that the OP does rebuild... stronger and doesn't allow posts to make her feel like a failure before she has begun.

Incidentally my marriage ended for reasons other than that event.

fortyplus · 05/04/2010 11:46

VLKS... well said. I've supported friends through calamitous events - illness/death/divorce/affairs and everyone deals with it differently. I struggle with the concept that people will just throw their hands up ain despair and give up when a partner has acted in an unexpected and unacceptable way - whether that be an affair, drunkenness or even just laziness and failure to participate in the children's upbringing as much as they should.

If I were so perfect that I never made a mistake in my life then I'd feel justified in rejecting other people when they fell off the straight and narrow.

I'm glad OP wants to work at her marriage - it won't be easy but it's right to try - for her own sake but especially that of her children.

dittany · 05/04/2010 12:30

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skidoodly · 05/04/2010 12:51

"everyone deals with it differently."

yes, that is the point. One which you apparently don't actually get.

Everyone deals with things differently and your imagined way of dealing with hypothetical adultery is not how everyone should or must deal with it.

"I struggle with the concept that people will just throw their hands up ain despair and give up when a partner has acted in an unexpected and unacceptable way - whether that be an affair, drunkenness or even just laziness and failure to participate in the children's upbringing as much as they should."

You appear to struggle with the concept that people are not just "throwing their hands up in despair" when they decide to give up on a marriage. It's insulting to characterise a difficult personal decision in such simplistic terms. It's akin to saying that women just have abortions instead of bothering to use contraception.

An affair might well be unexpected behaviour, but nobody leaves a marriage because of unexpected drunkenness or occasional laziness.

Are you saying that women should stay in relationships with alcoholics because they are not perfect themselves?

Are you saying that women should put up with being treated as a skivvy and nanny because they make occasional mistakes?

And they should do all this because of your personal feelings on the matter?

dittany · 05/04/2010 12:58

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gagamama · 05/04/2010 13:12

Oh HBM, I have just read this entire thread and I am angry and almost shaking on your behalf. Before joining mumsnet I had no idea that mens' admissions of cheating were so completely formulaic. This has all the hallmarks - this original admission played down to make it sounds like nothing, the H wallowing in his own guilt and misery, and the gradual realisation and drip feeding of information that make it SO much worse.

The one thing I will say, which I'm not sure has been mentioned before, is with reagrds to the Masters. You say the MA was his excus efor being out the house and now he says he's given it up because it was 'selfish' - he almost certainly quit it much earlier in the year and has been seeing OW during this time, and is now trying to cover up the lack of any progress with a gallant act of selflessness.

Stay strong, you sound a remarkably collected and lovely woman from your posts. Hope your DD feels better soon.

countingto10 · 05/04/2010 13:18

TBH Dittany I personally think the OP is in a state of shock ATM and doing what she has to get through the coming days and if thinking the way she does helps her to keep it together for the timebeing so be it. I know when I first discovered what my DH had been up to I kidded myself things happened one way, the way that caused least pain as I personally couldn't cope at that time. Our therapist also confirmed this. You are in a state of post traumatic shock and nothing seems real. The mind does funny things to help you cope.

Over the coming weeks, things will become clearer, the OP will become stronger and more questions will be asked and answers challenged IYSWIM.

fortyplus · 05/04/2010 14:52

skidoodly - right at the beginning i said that i was sure others would disagree with me - I'm expressing my personal opinion and I realise that others will disagree. That what an internet forum is all about - or to use your own words: 'that is the point. One which you apparently don't actually get.'

blinks · 05/04/2010 15:44

on the whole i agree with dittany.

he may well be depressed but at the root of this i think it's more immaturity and selfishness that caused this situation.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 06/04/2010 02:32

HomeBirthMummy I've no idea whether you are still reading this thread, but this is my take on it.

At the moment, like Counting says, you are still reeling from one of the most awful weeks of your life. Sadly, from what you've said about losing your Mum and your unhappy step-mother experience, you've taken a lot of knocks in your relatively short life. It seems so unfair.

I hope you haven't given your H a decision yet, but I understand where you're at. If you had thrown in the towel last week, you would still have been hurting just as much, but with less information than you're going to glean over the coming weeks/months. I hope that you are saying to your H that you simply don't know if you can forgive and get past this. Your final decision should be in abeyance. You do not have to decide now - or anytime soon in fact - if you can re-commit to your marriage. He should respect that too.

What I hope is that you'll find out enough information with which to make an informed decision about something that is so important.

If you're going to try though, can I counsel you to insist on certain things that are going to help you in the coming months?

It is vitally important that your H tells the OW the truth - about you, his feelings for you and about your marriage. She should be left in no doubt at all why he is committing to you and your marriage. Given the way this ended between them, it is likely that she will delude herself for years to come that he would have left you, that he's only staying for the children/pressure from his large moral family - you name it, she will comfort herself with this. It will not help you come to terms with this if you feel that there is a woman out there who believes your marriage is a sham and your H is staying for the wrong reasons, so get that closure now and control the message.

Secondly, he should cease any friendships forthwith with anyone who was no friend to your marriage. This will probably mean changing jobs/role.

He is doing some of the right things - the bed, the STI test, the counselling (on his own, remember - this works best) the GP appointment, but he is also building a few smokescreens that in time you will see through, just as others here have done.

I suspect his chronology is flawed somewhat and it is more likely that he started to complain about you/push you away when he first had designs on the OW. I suspect he might have felt a bit down and overwhelmed by the responsibility that 2 small children bring, but I would doubt it was proper depression. I don't doubt that he was under stress and this explains the weight loss, but very often that stress is caused by leading a double life. Stress and depression are very different.

It doesn't surprise me that he is putting forward reasons for why he was vulnerable to an affair, but I think he is evading personal responsibility hugely. The unpalatable facts might be that he was immature and selfish, was feeling a bit bogged down and a developing attraction for someone else gave him a buzz. When she appeared keen too, he told himself "why not?". One of the most revealing questions you can ask him in the coming days will be "How did you give yourself permission to do this? What were your thought processes?"

He has behaved no better and no worse than OW - they have both behaved abominably and I don't think either of them have any illnesses or excuses for what they have done. Her H might also be demonising your H for all this too - and if she was using a "drunk" defence in the early days - he might still be locked in that denial. Hopefully he will be wise like you and see through it.

Your story just proves the wisdom of verifying what you were being told. The sad truth is that none of this would have come out - for either you or her H - if you hadn't both done your own digging and verifying.

You are still going to be hearing a fair few lies for some time to come - some will be lies so as not to hurt, many of them will be to save his own skin and some will be the lies he told to himself. Do what you did last week throughout - verify and insist on honesty when things don't add up.

I understand why seeing your H a broken man will have tugged at your heartstrings. You love him and your basic sense of humanity reacts instinctively when you see a loved one in pain. Please don't go into rescuer mode with him though. If you suppress your hurt, your rage and your sense of loss, you will regret it further down the line.

There's no way of telling from the facts on here whether this man is worthy of a second chance. There's a chance that if he enters freely into proper pyschotherapy with a very challenging counsellor, he can change. However, there are some nasty twists to your tale that are going to be particularly hard to overcome - the disparaging you to friends, the violation of your homes, the acceptance that he would leave you, the OW ending the relationship, the "flight" mechanism after disclosure, the ridiculous lies - possibly even now the smokescreens about depression. The length of your marriage worries me too - when a man is unfaithful this early on, it is not a good portent.

So, in the final analysis, wait and see, ask questions and verify, challenge denials and delusions and take your time. On the hugely positive side, you are young enough to start again if you decide you cannot get past this and forgive.

MrsGuyOfGisbourne · 06/04/2010 07:22

(WWIFN - I know it has been said many times, but I have to say it again - you are so wise and generous with your time & insight - hope you are aware your insight and wisdom resonates further than only the the OPs you respond to )

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