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How do you know when you should just give up on trying to save your marriage and just walk away?

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teaandcakeplease · 17/02/2010 10:30

Sorry this is fairly long.

My husband and I separated in October, after I discovered that he'd lied to me in a rather elaborate and horrible deception. He told me he was going away on a Christian Retreat for a week. He said he really needed to go. He even showed me the website. He then, a week before he went away, said he'd bumped into someone he used to work with, who had become a Christian and had chartered a private flight to the nearest airport for the retreat as he had arranged a big trip for a group of people from his church, and that he was now going to fly to Wales for the retreat (I suppose I'm very guillible as I always wanted to believe the best in him and didn't question this). His parents gave him the £300 for the retreat, they transferred it into my account and I withdrew the money for him (they did this, as he's not very good with money). Before he left, a few times I noticed him on his laptop looking at hotels from a distance. As he works on the dining table, which is in the lounge, if he is at home, We live in a small 2 bed flat so there's not much scope for him to work easily at home. Anyway, I asked why he was looking at hotels and he told me that a friend from years ago was coming over and wanted DH to help find him a hotel. I suppose looking back I should have realised it was all a pile of codswallop. Anyway he promised he'd call me everyday whilst away, needless to say I didn't hear from him for 24 hours, then I get a stressed phone call from a call box and he said he'd had to borrow a land rover from the retreat and had had to drive all over the place to find a phone box to call me as he didn't get any reception there and he wouldn't be able to call me at all whilst away. I heard a dog barking in the background and some voices. I said to him what's going on in the background, he suddenly made excuses and hung up. Half way through the week, I decided to call and leave a message on the answerphone, not entirely sure why looking back, but there was something I wanted to talk to him about. I dialled the number and got an international ring tone! With a sinking feeling I realised he was lying to me about being in Wales. He hung up as fast as he could and sent me to answerphone, but it was too late. He then sent me a text full of bullsh*t excuses on why I got an international ring tone. I replied to his text and said you're lying (not very politely) he then said no no the truth is I diverted my phone to a friend for a week who lives abroad, as I couldn't get reception. I replied again and said you're lying. He then said no no the truth is blah blah, the texts went back and forth until I told him I'd ring the retreat and check if he was staying there. Needless to say he went quiet at that point. I did ring the retreat as even though he only showed me the website very quickly before going away, I happened to remember the name and therefore looked up the number. I was fortunate enough that despite data protection, the lady at the other end after checking with her manager agreed to tell me, and that my DH had not stayed there at all.

I actually rang DH dad after this, as I was in shock. I asked him where my hubby had told him he was going. He said the same place as me. I burst into tears and said he's not there. Bizarrely enough his dad came to see me and offered to let me come and stay with him. I think he was just very cross and disappointed with his son and he also loves his grandchildren. On DH arrival back in the UK at an airport his dad and brother decided to go and meet him and get the truth out of him. He kept lying and lying with more elaborate stories every minute, until his brother forced him to produce his ticket. He'd been in Greece all week.

I was hurt he'd lied to me. I was also hurt as I hadn't had a decent holiday all year as we have no money. All I'd had was 3 days in Llanelli and my hubby had had to go back to work for some of that and leave me down in Wales. I was also upset as our daughter was in tears when I dropped him off for the holiday and crying "daddy gone, daddy lost" and I'd said to her it's ok he'll be back in a week, he's just going away somewhere to help him relax etc. So he not only duped me but his beautiful 2 year old daughter. We also have a son who was only 9 months at the time but he's a mummy's boy and doesn't mind where daddy is. My daughter has been exhibiting troubling behaviour in the last year, probably with daddy coming and going for days every week and her just not understanding why and feeling unsettled and then of course when he was there, the tension and sometimes open conflict between her parents, as I was struggling so much with being left on my own all the time.

The thing is we've been separated ever since this incident but he still can't be straight with me on who he went with. We had had an altercation back in September and he'd said he'd had an affair but it was over. He did lie about who the affair was with and when at this point. He also made up a hugely elaborate story on where he had been going weekly for 2 nights for months and months. He started disappearing for two-four nights weekly or fortnightly from February when our son was only 4 weeks old and suffering with horrendous colic, so at that point I was dealing with a jealous 18 month old daughter and a very unhappy baby on my own. I have spent the last year on my own with our two kids 99.99% of the time but my husband always seemed to have a good reason and I always believed him. I have 4 brothers all who are married happily. My parents have been married for over 40 years and are still happy. I have a lovely big family, I love my children and wanted them to grow up in a stable loving home with both parents. I desperately want to work things out. My husband is now having counselling but he cannot tell me when he will move back in, he cannot cope with looking after the kids on his own, never has been able to. I always had to take one with me. Our wedding anniversary in December he missed as he wanted to stay with a friend, New Years he claimed he was working for Blue Arrow and staying with a friend called "Jack" and now Valentines day he is away as well with "Jack" and working with Blue Arrow. This Jack only appeared in November once all his lies were found out. He goes to stay with him once a week or fortnight for several days and I keep asking for proof he exists, proof the affair is over and proof he worked for blue arrow, as truthfully I think he is still carrying the affair on and it's not over. Except he never provides proof but keeps insisting the affair is over.

I feel like I've morphed from a relaxed trusting person, into a paranoid maniac.

I've sent him a long e-mail over the weekend basically saying I cannot go on like this, and I need evidence the affair is over whether he shows me texts, e-mails or calls her whilst I listen in. As every time he goes to see "Jack" all I think is, is he with her? Whenever he goes away I dream about them, all the fear, rage and panic comes back and all the memories of the lies he has told etc. But even though I'd told him I need reassurance that the affair is over, he will not provide it. He seems to just think I'm having a moment and will cool down again. I think he thinks I will always be here waiting for him until he gets his head straight.

What would you do? Please be gentle with me...

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teaandcakeplease · 21/07/2010 20:55

I've been thinking about ressurecting this old thread for a while now. I am actually thinking I'd like to print it off and keep it somewhere for the future, as mumsnet and all the lovely people on this thread helped me make the right choice in my life for me and my DCs and there is so much wisdom in these many many posts by wonderful people who've never even met me but took the time to read my thread and advise me.

Well it's roughly 3 months on since my last post and my soon to be Ex H is still unemployed, still on JSA, still living at his parents house, which incidentally is now empty, apart from a few pieces of furniture, as his parents have moved to their other house in Scotland, and are selling the house H lives in. He has no where to move to either. His car broke down irrepaireably (sp?) on the way to Scotland to spend a week away with the OW about 2 months ago and he has been unable to go and see her in Manchester easily since then (such a terrible shame) Although she catches trains down to see him.

My application for the decree nisi has been at court since 13 July. My H has no solicitor to represent him and is not contesting anything. It seems he is keen to get rid of me as fast as possible. So I know I am very very lucky, as he even has no interest in any equity in our flat either. Not much in it anyway...

There have been more revelations since on the lies he's told to cover up the affair, terrible lies and a porn addiction I was totally unaware of as well, which is irritating as we used to have a lot of premium rate phone calls on our bills from time to time we couldn't afford and he always claimed they were fraud

I have begun counseling, had about 8 sessions now and I am finding it very helpful. My children are more settled and happy now. I no longer miss my H at all and am feeling content to be alone with just me and the DCs as well. We do go off and do lovey things together all the time. Everything really is clearer in retrospect as everyone said it would be

I don't know why but I wanted to add all this to my original thread. Almost like a story of my life at this difficult time and mumsnet has been with me every step of the way and the support board too

So if you do read this, thank you ladies as each and everyone of you supported me through a horrid time. It's still painful sometimes but those moments are less everyday x

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blackcurrants · 21/07/2010 21:10

I remember this thread - I'm so so glad to hear how well you're doing, tea - and SO very impressed by what you've achieved!

Un-MN-Hugs to you!

ParsleyTheLioness · 03/11/2011 12:09

IDont't know quite when I put this on my watch list, but I am at the beginning of your process, and I am glad for you that you are doing well, and reassured that I may be feeling better along the line.

Spirit72 · 03/11/2011 16:45

ParsleyThe Lioness - this is a great thread by an amazing women who had far more tolerance than most of us.

I have been on her journey with a 3yr & newborn, I was still on mat leave when I found out. My world dissolved, I was a single mum at 29yrs old and devastated. Couldn't eat, sleep, think straight and he just carried on his sordid affair. I found the strenght to divorce him after tryng to reconcile and trying to tell him he'd regret it. I always remember telling him that his maintenance would pay for my son's football boots one day but another man would be on the touch line cheering him on.

That newborn baby is now 11yrs and in the school football team and yes my new husband cheers him on and cleans the mud off his footy boots!

One day several years ago my ex opened up and told me those words that are worth a million pounds "I'm so sorry for what I did, every day I regret what I did and I had many a day when I would stay in bed as I had nothing to get up for" . My closure.

Stay tough and hang in there.......the lows are low but the highs are worth it and whenit levels out you will be so very proud of yourself for not letting yoursef down. Neither of my children remember living with their Dad or crying over him. They are well balanced 14yrs & 11yrs - happy, confident and I'm very proud of them.

Wishing you all the strength that you need x

Teaandcakeplease · 09/03/2012 12:44

Parsley much love to you. It's now 2 years on and I can honestly say I am so so glad that I found the strength to submit the divorce papers. ExH is still with OW and they're happy it seems, after a few rocky patches. My children are now 3 and 4 and also happy. One in school full time and one in Pre School. It does get better and I have recently met a wonderful man. It's early days but my word it feels fantastic to feel loved by someone and more to the point he is 10 times the man my ExH was.

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springaroundthecorner · 09/03/2012 13:42

How lovely of you to come back and report such a wonderful outcome. Well done for getting through it.

You have inspired me on a bad day. :)

Teaandcakeplease · 10/08/2013 18:13

Ledkr's lovely thread today, had me thinking and I wanted to resurrect this thread briefly with an update. Hope that was ok mumsnet towers?

I do sometimes visit my old thread to remind me of what I went through and how thankful I am for all the advice and how far I've come.

I do not remotely resemble the person who posted this thread any more and I am so so thankful to all the amazing mners who supported me on here and gave me the strength to divorce him. Did I really call him 'hubby' on here? Wink I know if I'd still been married to him, I'd have been miserable. I bent over backwards to be this stepford wife. I sacrificed myself to make it 'work' and he treated me terribly in the marriage, he was a lazy husband and wasted money we simply didn't have. He was very selfish in so many ways. I dread to think how I'd be if we were still together. If I'd made it work for the kids Sad I sacrificed so much in the marriage. I could have begged him to end things with the OW but I think he'd have cheated again. It's an awful way to live, getting barely any affection, sleeping badly at night and wondering if they are where they say they are.

Things with the nice man didn't work out (see March 2012) but he was so good for my self esteem and belief that I was attractive and there was every possibility that I could date again! So for that I thank him. So, so far I've briefly dated one chap since divorce but I'm not looking properly, I dabble in internet dating but truthfully I'm happy and secure in myself and being alone. I like being alone! Smile I do sometimes long to meet someone though and have a proper relationship. I swing in roundabouts.

I'm now back at work part time, my children are now 4 and 6 years old and are happy and secure children. Both will be full time at school from this September. I have a big group of good friends around me, lots of lovely babysitters, a great social life and I help on a divorce recovery course now. So in many respects my life is full and happy.

He still never has them overnight, as he lives in a one bed property and his work shifts aren't great. He sees them for short periods of time and calls them in-between. I would love it if he could afford to move somewhere bigger and have them overnight though. They'd love it too and I could do with the rest. I'm hoping as the years go by though, that will change. They are much easier now they're bigger and he does a lot more with them.

I see my PIL when I can, as they still live in Scotland. I wish they didn't as my FIL is great with them and they love him to bits.

ExH relationship with the OW collapsed last Summer as she had graduated university, moved down here and they had begun to have the children together a lot for day trips and even took them away to his PIL together. The relationship started to struggle once the reality of two young DCs dawned on her. I wasn't surprised when it ended but equally it brought me no pleasure by this stage, as I had moved on with my life and let go of the past. He is now with someone else but none of that concerns me any more.

He sees them as often as he can, we get on far better now than when we were married, we co parent well and he comes to school parents evenings, nativity plays, their birthday parties etc. It's astonishing that we get on so well now. It feels like a previous life, thinking of when I was married. Almost like someone else's life. No idea what I saw in him now! But he did give me two great kids. Yes sometimes things rise to the surface that irritate me, but I swallow them down, for the sake of the kids. It's not worth it. Boundaries are what help us to remain amicable I think and good communication.

Perhaps some of it is due to the fact we divorced amicably, as we managed that between ourselves, almost round the kitchen table, he had no legal representation, so only I had a solicitor and kept her informed of our joint discussions and what was agreed. So the divorce went through relatively fast in the end. With no residual anger or resentment at what was agreed. So we could slip easily into amicable co parenting post divorce. It also helped whilst we were getting divorced as there wasn't an unpleasant atmosphere when he saw the kids either.

It did hurt so much. I lost so much weight and I spent a year on anti depressants at one stage, but you come through it and life is so much better on the other side.

I'd never have believed it possible if I'd told myself this in 2010. Not at all. I know I was lucky, there are some awful men on here who are far less reasonable in divorce. But if you stumble on this thread in the years ahead, there is life after divorce and it's better! Believe me.

And perhaps one day I'll re-marry! Smile

This has taken me ages to write and the kids need dinner Blush But I hope it helps someone somewhere in the years ahead.

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KatieScarlett2833 · 10/08/2013 19:27

I remember you well. Congratulations, you always deserved the best and he was not fit to lick your boots. Grin

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