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How do you know when you should just give up on trying to save your marriage and just walk away?

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teaandcakeplease · 17/02/2010 10:30

Sorry this is fairly long.

My husband and I separated in October, after I discovered that he'd lied to me in a rather elaborate and horrible deception. He told me he was going away on a Christian Retreat for a week. He said he really needed to go. He even showed me the website. He then, a week before he went away, said he'd bumped into someone he used to work with, who had become a Christian and had chartered a private flight to the nearest airport for the retreat as he had arranged a big trip for a group of people from his church, and that he was now going to fly to Wales for the retreat (I suppose I'm very guillible as I always wanted to believe the best in him and didn't question this). His parents gave him the £300 for the retreat, they transferred it into my account and I withdrew the money for him (they did this, as he's not very good with money). Before he left, a few times I noticed him on his laptop looking at hotels from a distance. As he works on the dining table, which is in the lounge, if he is at home, We live in a small 2 bed flat so there's not much scope for him to work easily at home. Anyway, I asked why he was looking at hotels and he told me that a friend from years ago was coming over and wanted DH to help find him a hotel. I suppose looking back I should have realised it was all a pile of codswallop. Anyway he promised he'd call me everyday whilst away, needless to say I didn't hear from him for 24 hours, then I get a stressed phone call from a call box and he said he'd had to borrow a land rover from the retreat and had had to drive all over the place to find a phone box to call me as he didn't get any reception there and he wouldn't be able to call me at all whilst away. I heard a dog barking in the background and some voices. I said to him what's going on in the background, he suddenly made excuses and hung up. Half way through the week, I decided to call and leave a message on the answerphone, not entirely sure why looking back, but there was something I wanted to talk to him about. I dialled the number and got an international ring tone! With a sinking feeling I realised he was lying to me about being in Wales. He hung up as fast as he could and sent me to answerphone, but it was too late. He then sent me a text full of bullsh*t excuses on why I got an international ring tone. I replied to his text and said you're lying (not very politely) he then said no no the truth is I diverted my phone to a friend for a week who lives abroad, as I couldn't get reception. I replied again and said you're lying. He then said no no the truth is blah blah, the texts went back and forth until I told him I'd ring the retreat and check if he was staying there. Needless to say he went quiet at that point. I did ring the retreat as even though he only showed me the website very quickly before going away, I happened to remember the name and therefore looked up the number. I was fortunate enough that despite data protection, the lady at the other end after checking with her manager agreed to tell me, and that my DH had not stayed there at all.

I actually rang DH dad after this, as I was in shock. I asked him where my hubby had told him he was going. He said the same place as me. I burst into tears and said he's not there. Bizarrely enough his dad came to see me and offered to let me come and stay with him. I think he was just very cross and disappointed with his son and he also loves his grandchildren. On DH arrival back in the UK at an airport his dad and brother decided to go and meet him and get the truth out of him. He kept lying and lying with more elaborate stories every minute, until his brother forced him to produce his ticket. He'd been in Greece all week.

I was hurt he'd lied to me. I was also hurt as I hadn't had a decent holiday all year as we have no money. All I'd had was 3 days in Llanelli and my hubby had had to go back to work for some of that and leave me down in Wales. I was also upset as our daughter was in tears when I dropped him off for the holiday and crying "daddy gone, daddy lost" and I'd said to her it's ok he'll be back in a week, he's just going away somewhere to help him relax etc. So he not only duped me but his beautiful 2 year old daughter. We also have a son who was only 9 months at the time but he's a mummy's boy and doesn't mind where daddy is. My daughter has been exhibiting troubling behaviour in the last year, probably with daddy coming and going for days every week and her just not understanding why and feeling unsettled and then of course when he was there, the tension and sometimes open conflict between her parents, as I was struggling so much with being left on my own all the time.

The thing is we've been separated ever since this incident but he still can't be straight with me on who he went with. We had had an altercation back in September and he'd said he'd had an affair but it was over. He did lie about who the affair was with and when at this point. He also made up a hugely elaborate story on where he had been going weekly for 2 nights for months and months. He started disappearing for two-four nights weekly or fortnightly from February when our son was only 4 weeks old and suffering with horrendous colic, so at that point I was dealing with a jealous 18 month old daughter and a very unhappy baby on my own. I have spent the last year on my own with our two kids 99.99% of the time but my husband always seemed to have a good reason and I always believed him. I have 4 brothers all who are married happily. My parents have been married for over 40 years and are still happy. I have a lovely big family, I love my children and wanted them to grow up in a stable loving home with both parents. I desperately want to work things out. My husband is now having counselling but he cannot tell me when he will move back in, he cannot cope with looking after the kids on his own, never has been able to. I always had to take one with me. Our wedding anniversary in December he missed as he wanted to stay with a friend, New Years he claimed he was working for Blue Arrow and staying with a friend called "Jack" and now Valentines day he is away as well with "Jack" and working with Blue Arrow. This Jack only appeared in November once all his lies were found out. He goes to stay with him once a week or fortnight for several days and I keep asking for proof he exists, proof the affair is over and proof he worked for blue arrow, as truthfully I think he is still carrying the affair on and it's not over. Except he never provides proof but keeps insisting the affair is over.

I feel like I've morphed from a relaxed trusting person, into a paranoid maniac.

I've sent him a long e-mail over the weekend basically saying I cannot go on like this, and I need evidence the affair is over whether he shows me texts, e-mails or calls her whilst I listen in. As every time he goes to see "Jack" all I think is, is he with her? Whenever he goes away I dream about them, all the fear, rage and panic comes back and all the memories of the lies he has told etc. But even though I'd told him I need reassurance that the affair is over, he will not provide it. He seems to just think I'm having a moment and will cool down again. I think he thinks I will always be here waiting for him until he gets his head straight.

What would you do? Please be gentle with me...

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AnyFucker · 05/04/2010 22:06

sorry, distance between himself and dc

teaandcakeplease · 05/04/2010 22:12

Trust you AF to be the first one on here

Thank you for your honesty, keep it coming. I'm trying to work up the nerve to submit papers on waking to sol. Hence posting again. I filled them in last Thurs.

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AnyFucker · 05/04/2010 22:42

I wanna give you a squeeze, love

keep your nerve

he has nerve in fucking spades

you know you don't deserve any more of this bullshit

put a stop to it...only you can do that

Mumfun · 05/04/2010 23:01

(()) He has behaved shockingly.

There does feel something wrong -like some sort of personality disorder or something - some incredible sense of entitlement.

Words fail me as to his treatmeent of the kids and not being there for them.

Im so sorry -I know its so hard. But hes not doing anything to come back to you. Its takes 2 to be committed to a marriage etc.

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Quattrocento · 06/04/2010 00:03

Agree with SGB (and others). It's irreperable - mainly because he doesn't want to repair it.

Good luck

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 06/04/2010 02:50

Get those papers served now teaandcake. Hold your head up high and don't look back. This man is a waste of time.

teaandcakeplease · 06/04/2010 08:24

I have been feeling like I'm flogging a dead horse in the last few weeks. As he cannot end the affair, it is like I'm struggling up a never ending hill metaphorically speaking. It takes 2 to save a marriage as I've said before but I'm the only one wanting to. Even if he cannot verbally tell me he wants "out" I think he must do?

I do think he does have some serious mental issues, he is getting counseling as I've said previously in thread but it is unfair of him to keep me dangling with a thread of hope that we'll work things out for 5 months now but he won't end the affair

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HappyWoman · 06/04/2010 08:58

yes serve the papers - he is too weak to end it with you. Show him what a strong woman you are and i think he will respect you more.
You will also respect yourself more too.

It takes a long time - this is not the end but will help you move forward.

Take care and good luck

AnyFucker · 06/04/2010 09:52

tea...he wants you to deal the final blow as he is too pathetic to do it himself

give him what he wants...then get on with the rest of your life without that particular millstone dragging you down

daytoday · 06/04/2010 10:04

People are what they do - not what they say.

I have just read your thread with an open mouth. What has amazed me most is your husbands coldness, detachment. Almost caluclating.

Why do you you need him to categorically say to you 'I want this marriage to be over.'

He IS a liar. He may never say this to you. In the movies relationships end in a clear one liner. They rarely end like this in real life. They are messy and confused and only when one looks back can one make sense.

He has not fought for you ever. He seems very cold. If he can't treat you, the mother of his children, like the cherished person you are, when your kids are so small and needy, then surely it will just get worse not better?

You sound amazing and you deserve more from life. And so do your children. You have dealt with this whole awful situation with calm, perspective and hope. You have given him time, you have given yourself time. You are not headstrong or rushing. You are MUCH stronger that you realise or believe. But there comes a time when for everyone sake, someone needs to make a decision. You are the only reasonable, sane, loving person in this relationship and it therefore makes sense that you should be the one making the decisions.

Turn into the lioness you are - I think you are not even aware of how much you have been 'carrying' him in this relationship.

loobie63 · 06/04/2010 10:09

Teaandcakeplease, I have read the whole of this thread and my heart goes out to you. I too was married to a compusive liar that cheated on me. We tried to make a go of things for the sake of of our DS and he was never ever happy. I too spent so long trying to save my relationship that I did not focus on what I really wanted. I just was like an eager puppy trying to please my DH he would pat me on the head and kick me at the same (not literally but by the way he behaved)

Eventually,after 9 years of putting up with him and his indecision and lies somewhere i found the strength to tell him I no longer wanted him and it is truly the best thing I have ever done. It is horrible and it does feel for a while that life will never be the same again. For me life is so much better I am free from him and his lies and the way he made me feel. I truly hope that somehow you can find the strength to put you first for the sake of your DC's and for the sake of your own sanity .... good luck x

teaandcakeplease · 06/04/2010 11:01

Lioness, I like that

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 06/04/2010 14:11

Oh and teaandcake he hasn't got "serious mental issues". He is perfectly sane and of balanced mind. He is just a selfish, cruel arse with a massive sense of entitlement.

glastocat · 06/04/2010 14:59

What an utterly nasty cowardly prick he is. Serve those papers, this really is irreperable. You will be much better off without him, and so will your kids.

cestlavielife · 06/04/2010 15:14

just divorce him. he really does not care.
he tries to put blame on you for everything.

his daughter is ill - he choses to spend time with OW.

no his love for the dcs is not enough. he doesnt care about them any more than he cares about you.

it is admirable for you to want your dcs to know their daddy but ultimately it will be down to him - not you.

they will be fine with (ir)regular contact - if that is what he intends to do. you cannot protect them from his actions.

but you can give them love and stability and a happy home without yourself tied up in knots over this "man".

whitetulips · 06/04/2010 15:26

I have just read this whole thread.
You can hold your head up high, you have tried and tried to make your marriage work, but a marriage is between two people, and you are on your own, sadly.
I wish you the strength to sign and post those papers. I posted mine a couple of weeks ago, and I feel like the weight has been lifted.

My lying cheating soon-to be-exH is so angry that I have taken control of everything, by doing that, and I feel calm, almost exhilarated that I am in control again for the first time in a long time. You call the shots, you have been doing all the parenting for so long, but as others have said, you won't have to waste energy wandering what he is up to, and whether he is coming back or not.
Good luck, you CAN do this, you will find a strength you didn't know you had.

minipie · 06/04/2010 16:07

I have only just read this thread.

Normally, I am very slow to suggest anyone should give up on their marriage... I'm a strong believer in "for better and for worse" and all that.

In this case, however, I'll make an exception.

It is beyond clear to me that you should give up on this marriage. You have bent over backwards to be forgiving/accommodating and give him a second (third/fourth etc) chance. But he is making absolutely no effort. He does not want to be married to you any more, nor does he care all that much about your DCs.

In those circumstances I cannot see any reason for trying any longer. If you do, all that will happen is that your DCs will continue to be hurt as of course will you.

By contrast if you call a stop to it now, you won't have to be constantly hurt and disappointed any longer and nor will your DCs. Imagine the relief of that.

teaandcakeplease · 06/04/2010 19:57

Dropped papers into solicitor today. No idea how long it will all take. Our finances are not pretty. Lets hope things can be agreed amicably.

Thank you ladies x

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AnyFucker · 06/04/2010 20:00

all the best, love

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ChairmumMiaowGoingItAlone · 06/04/2010 21:40

Congratulations tea. How do you feel?

teaandcakeplease · 06/04/2010 21:42

Well I was feeling ok until I read this thread. And now I'm thinking Sh*t I'm going to screw my children up....

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 06/04/2010 21:58

This is going to sound harsh Tea, but stop using your kids as an excuse. We've kept telling you that you wouldn't be setting them a good example at all by putting up with their Dad.