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ALL NEW Road to Recovery for the Recently Ditched

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BEAUTlFUL · 02/12/2009 23:56

Dearly Be-Chucked, we are gathered here today because, for whatever reason, our man has dumped us!

Come in here and chat about erection-texts, lechy lecturers and getting the painters in.

OP posts:
maybees · 06/03/2010 23:19

Hi Not my choice good to hear from you again,
Startin, 5yrs FFS!

startingovernow · 06/03/2010 23:19

Ah Maybees, well done you sound so together. The counselling will indeed help with co-parenting & separation if nothing else. The grief is terrible & takes a long time to pass. As you know from my posts I can still feel the grief terribly somedays.

Hi Notmy, I'm a bit of a recovering control freak too . Love a good clear out as it makes me feel organised. I badly need to do another one soon. Glad your managing to get things a bit sorted.

startingovernow · 06/03/2010 23:22

Yes Maybees, 5 yrs, only took 3 mts to marry the fucker......

startingovernow · 06/03/2010 23:26

On another note & I do not expect sympathy. My whole body is in agony from my nocturnal adventures of last night. Every muscle in my body is in agony obviously from lack of use (I've a muscle disease). Will just have to get back into practice .

Mumfun · 06/03/2010 23:32

Gosh 5 years Starting -cant believe it. In the UK it is more often 2 years except for a few reasons such as unreasonable behaviour or adultery. Glad puppy was good experience - he does sound sound IYSWIM

MB - good thinking re one years time. In limbo at present so cant do whole list but will be out of limbo soon and will try.

Miaow -sory you have so much on - get as much support as you can is all I can say.

Lis -sorry you 2 have so much on in a different way.Hope you can get accomodation soon.

Had great day at a festival today -kids very happy. Hopefully going out with a good friend tomorrow so hope to complete a happy weekend.

Too much Dairy Milk eaten though - will have to watch it as will be a porker before I know it.

startingovernow · 06/03/2010 23:47

Hi Mumfun, glad your weekend is going well , enjoy.

I'm not exactly eager to run back up the aisle anyway so I won't worry about it for now . Will have legal separation in a few months all going well so divorce will only be a formality.

startingovernow · 06/03/2010 23:50

Oh Christ, I've just calculated I'll be 40 getting divorced............

startingovernow · 06/03/2010 23:52

Ah fuk, I'm wrong, it's worse, I'll be 41 before I'm free of the fuker.........

maybees · 07/03/2010 00:06

Mumfun I agree re chocolate ,whole bar to myself and no food not good idea afterall.Will have to think up new friday treat.
Startin' try arnica for the bruisin'
Best thing with separation with H is that it broke the cycle .You get to look at what we were doing and you know it wasnt right.But the longer you are apart the better my boundaries become and the stronger I am to keep them in place .I was never going to be happy where I was, I just couldnt understand it b4 but with a bit of space,alanon.counselling etc you do.Me and H both had long term self esteem issues years b4 we ever met.We just kind of bumbled along in a sex =love way.I think when kids come along if only one parent truly starts to take responsibility ur gonna struggle.But also I think if childhood issues arent addressed b4 male mid life then they are heading for a crisis.If anything this stage we are at should help to sort out some of the issues which have caused us pain and bring us some peace and that must be better for us and dcs.

ChairmumMiaow · 07/03/2010 02:06

Thanks for all the wishes.

I'm up at 1am again. I still wake at every noise in case DS needs me so when the git goes to bed I always always wake up. Then normally, like today, I have some thought or other about what he's been doing downstairs for hours and I feel sick, and can't get back to sleep so have to sit up, try to purge the thoughts before I can relax enough to sleep again. Sometimes I sit here in bed playing solitaire on my phone trying to think only about that and to block out my bad thoughts until I'm so exhausted I drop off.

1 year is a scary thought. I'll have a 9 month old baby or thereabouts. Where do I want to be? Back with H, working on things, changing myself and being a better person. I know I have some fault in our breakup - I think he does too, but the difference is that for the first time I have really really seen it and want to change. I've needed to go to counselling for years and was so scared, so to go to the GP and admit how I was feeling was huge for me. I want to change for myself and my DCs, but also for him, and that makes me feel sad because part of me already knows that he has lost all respect for me somehow and that he will never love me again.

Where will I be? exhausted and alone probably. But stronger I hope. Still in counselling, if the NHS lets me, I hope.

He agreed the other day that we would start going to relate now. I asked him for 2 things. Firstly that he would organise that, once a fortnight, and secondly that he would bring up his issue of communicating with me with his counsellor. He doesn't seem to care that he can't do that, and he doesn't seem to care that I need to have some understanding of why he gave up on us to be able to move on. Like others, I at least need to be able to communicate with him without all this pressure, for the sake of DS. He's a good parent, and we need to be able to keep a clear line of communication open to make sure we stay on the same page with how we deal with DS.

I hate the way my emotions are controlling my body. My whole digestive system is controlled by how I am feelings, and it makes it much harder to switch things off as once that has been kicked off, I have to wait for it to pass before I can carry on, even if I can do something about the thoughts that started it.

Maybees - I know what you mean about being damaged before all this started. H and I both have serious issues with our childhoods and it has taken this for us to start looking at them properly. The idea when we started it was that it would help our relationship too, but since starting counselling H seems to have drawn away from me even more completely. I thought he was drawing into himself but what really hurts is that he's turning to other people, and that makes me feel worthless. I've given him so many opportunities to open up, shown him (or at least tried, and I think I succeeded) that I can discuss things without shouting or getting hysterical but I get nothing back. The blank wall is there, but its only for me and although I know I haven't always been nice over the years, I don't feel like I deserve that.

I feel like a fool for letting H be the only one I opened up to for so many years. I've let people slip though my fingers - good friends - because I've been so immersed in him and DS. I thought he would always be there for me - that things weren't great but that they were bound to be hard with all the changes in our lives and that we had a good foundation of love, so we'd work it out. But I was wrong, and trusting and stupid. He gave up on us before even trying to talk to me properly.

Arggh. This is how it always is for me - like the energy it takes to have a good few hours leads into a slump that just takes me lower than I was before. I just hope that the anti-depressants kick in soon enough to help that level out. Doc said about 2 weeks and that will be thursday.

At least I'm going out for a while tomorrow. Going to meet a friend at the park for our DSs to have a play, and will probably have a rant, but we're only really developing a close friendship now so I feel restricted on how much I feel comfortable saying, especially in front of the boys.

Need to figure out a way to stop these nighttime stresses

maybees · 07/03/2010 15:51

Message for Pink Smartie "Lambing Live" BBC2 tonight 8pm(prob catch it on i player if you miss it )Let me know if you read this .Hope ur doin ok,dont let the bastards grind you down and all that -Toodle pip!

ps back later Miaow loads to chat 2u about,I didnt share any of it with anyone except on here, at alanon ,with my counsellor (only last week)and the odd "he's a total bastard "phonecall to my mum. I dont trust anyone though ,so do whatever works for you .

ChairmumMiaow · 07/03/2010 16:43

I was having a pretty good day, then the minute H walks in the house, I start feeling physically ill. I had taken DS out and we'd made biscuits and I'd done the washing up and some washing, but now I'm sitting in front of the TV feeling sort of stuck here. Headache has arrived, and my arms and neck are tense and achey

Oh please let him go soon. I want him to come back but while things are like this I want him out

pinksmarties · 07/03/2010 19:28

maybees just PMSL at "Lambing Live", how did you remember ?

Starting, glad you're aching in a good way, how lovely.

Miaow and Lis... thinking of you both.

All I want in one years time is not to be so utterly devastated anymore. I'll be divorced by then.
I can't imagine ever being with anyone else and that's ok ish.

I would give everything I own ( I can feel a song coming) to just feel indifferent to him. I want to stop loving him and I want to stop hating him.

I don't want to feel bitter and twisted and hatefull and sad and betrayed for ever.
I want it to stop but the only way I think it will stop is if he fucks off and dies.

The heartache he's caused me is so immence and its also caused a huge rift in my family.

Fucking arsehole wankstain twunt.

Got to make dinner, back later. x

Mumfun · 07/03/2010 20:12

Aww pink I fekt the same for a while -and Ive got the family rifts too big time

All I can say is the anger gets less , you can deal with it better.I think its a good idea to get some counselling or talk to a wise friend about it too.

And Miaow Im confused too -hes beeen gone nearly a year and Im used to it but it still is painful when he comes here.Its better that they are gone when they hurt us

MB' But also I think if childhood issues arent addressed b4 male mid life then they are heading for a crisis'

I so agree with this. H just went off his head basically.

I wish I was good with boundaries -I think my mother didnt have many and H doesnt have many so I struggle basically. Arghh. Interested to hear about childhood isssues as I have a few........

Watching the skating cuddled up with DD - a good way to be.

TTFN!

ChairmumMiaow · 07/03/2010 20:49

I sometimes think we're all going around completely dominated by what our parents did to us and around us. I've spent so much of my life trying not to be like mine and all this looking at my life has made me see that I'm not actually managing all that well, and am spotting areas where I've let myself be seriously affected by it all, and other places where I'm just repeating the behaviours Add to this the time I spend trying not to be like them, and that's a lot of my life affected by people I cut off years ago.

I need to remind myself that there's only another week of sitting down to dinner with him and pretending for DS's sake that everything is cheery. It churns me up every time. I sit there trying to show him that I can be strong without him but some days I just can't eat and sit there trying not to cry. Once I have space I can be sad when I need to be, and might be free to be happier when I am feeling positive.

Didn't eat dinner tonight which will probably throw off my energy levels again. I had been doing so well

Tonight's another night. I wonder if I will sleep?

Mumfun · 07/03/2010 21:51

Miaow. I had a lot of trouble sleeping for a long time. Rose such as Rose oil on your wrists is good for trying to relax. Also Rescue Remedy helps I think when you are really stressed. Sure others will have suggestions too,

maybees · 07/03/2010 22:32

Loads of lambs and tips on tups and such Smartie so hope you tuned in to BBC2 ,but its on all week how exciting is that for us sheep fans.Kept dcs up to watch it so prob lots of testicle and bollock talk tomorrow at nursery and lambs coming out of sheeps bottoms -oh well all mother nature and that.

Miaow I dont analyse too much why parents did whatever they did. I think they just did it cos they didnt know any better ,but I would say I had self esteem issues from when I hit adolescence.Iknow I was wrong to shout ,but recently I heard the phrase you only shout when nobody is listening and I just needed some love and support TBH. Not anger!My sister has always put me down ,dont bother to try and analyse that either ,we dont get on tried for a long time made me unhappy dont bother my arse now.
What I do know is I am getting a chance now to improve my self esteem and break any learnt behaviour patterns.This must help me be a better mum.
I dont think its about blaming our parents as much as recognising they made mistakes ,learning from it and moving forwards.But that is only my opinion .

Smartie you are soooo right about not wanting to remain bitter and wanting to move on and you will.You will find your own path to getting back to firing on all cylinders.
I also think when you let go you will learn how to love youself again,from what I have learnt we couldnt have stopped Hs goin off the rails and causing mass destruction but we do have control on what we do now and how we do it '

Mumfun I read lots on mid life crisis (just googled it and then balled my eyes out at a lot of stories)cos H flipped out at 40.He had loads of baggage buried and it all overwhelmed him in the last 12mths.Although him leaving us has been excruciating for me,It has also given him the space to fight his demons .
Now he can choose to do 2 things with his freedom ,
1 He can work out what his priorities are ,stop drinking,attend AA ,attend counselling to deal with his own issues,attend counselling to help teach him what it means to be in a healthy relationship,

or 2 He can live the life of a single man ,keep drinking and continue to crash and burn and be an arsehole til the day he dies.

Even if we both sort out our weaknesses this doesnt guarantee that we could ever live together but we will be better parents with more serenity in our lives.

Miaow
Like I have said b4 I would never have chosen to go down this bumpy rd. but in between the sad days I am the happiest I have been for years.I really think you will notice a difference when H is gone .Not instant but space is a wonderful thing when things not right at home and ds will notice too.Try and not be too hard on yourself just look after you and baby and ds.Dont worry about bonding it will happen, my kids were 15mths apart so 2nd preg just a blur and all totally mental til dd was about 18mths.You dont have to be super mum you made biscuits FFS give yourself a break ,that is f*cking mega !

Just for a laugh -my pal told me 2day she was out in the park really needing a wee and found a good place to hide,unfortunately she didnt realise the railway line behind her and when a train went passed she gave the passengers a right eyeful

Big hugs x

pinksmarties · 07/03/2010 22:35

Shit.
maybees, just thought. Maybee you were serious about "lambing live" ??!

In which case I feel I was rude.

That's the trouble with chatting on line, can't always tell if people are joking.

I really do love farm animals as I rarely see them but I don't feel compelled to watch them on tv.

Did watch Simon Cowell just now. Really like him.

Please get back to me on this matter Maybees, ASAP.

PS, I did actually catch a glimpse of LL and they were as cute as can be.

Really hope you were joking as 2 hours later I'm still PMSL...

I'm so worried I've offended you ?! x

pinksmarties · 07/03/2010 22:45

Have you gone to bed Maybees ?

I'm going for a wee, back in 3 mins to see if you've replied.

startingovernow · 07/03/2010 22:52

Evening Fellow Dumplings, lots of analysising etc going on I see. I'll throw in my twopence worth. From my own experience I have found that it is useful to look back at childhood experiences as they can help us to see those experiences have shaped out adult lives.

Personally, I'm a text book case, abusive childhood, married abusive twunt! However, I also can see how exh was only a victim of his childhood too & that has helped me to accept what has happened without any hatred or bitterness. If I hadn't had counselling I'd most certainly be full of hatred & anger towards exh.

Was feeling a bit off tonight i.e. a bit of the poor me's. My dd had a speach & drama competition tonight & ended up coming 3rd. It really pushed me out of my negativity. I was able to see how well dd does despite having lost her father. I was also able to say well done to myself, I've been able to take care of dc's & put them first even during the times of horrific trauma. I've managed to juggle all their activities etc & keep the show on the road. .

Well, speaking of early childhood exp, I'm working on a presentation of Freud at the moment! Well, rephrase that meant to be .......

pinksmarties · 07/03/2010 23:38

Well done Starting.

Big pat on the back.

I was peed off a few months ago as H had bought DS a very expensive birthday present.

Told DS in a "poor me" way how I felt as I wouldn't be able to afford to buy him a present like that and he said to me "you didn't leave, and that's the best present I could ever have".

Those words meant SO much to me and illistrated how well Ive managed since twunt left and how the DC realize and appriciate me even though they don't always show it. As long as we're here for our DC they'll be fine and happy.
I realize that they're as proud of me as I am of them And I think that thier triumphs are also my triumphs.

Though I'm desperatly mourning the loss of my marriage the house is certainly a more chilled place without H in it. More relaxed.

We all have achieved SO much just getting on with life under the most trying of circumstances and we ought to be very proud of ourselves.

We're bringing up the next generation on our own FFS, HOW DARE anyone berrate single parents, its the hardest job in the world........and the most rewarding.

I think we're wonderfull.

Nite. x

maybees · 07/03/2010 23:52

No worries Pink Smarties ,could never take offence at you I did think the sheep thing is a million miles away from city life I forget some times that good hay is not a priority for most people just now but essential to us until the spring grass comes thru.

RE parents ,by all means have a look backwards
to help you understand things what I meant was I find it better not to dwell and analyse over and over ,I find it better to educate myself and break the cycle that probably has been going on for several generations.

After all the shouting I just worked out that both me and H are very Quiet people we both work outside with a lot of silence in our lives That is probably why we are both thriving in our new lives.

Want to build some raised beds for the kids this year,anyone else grow their own veg?
Snow nearly away now so almost Spring .

H told me 2day that banjo was arriving soon....

startingovernow · 07/03/2010 23:54

Here, here pink! We should all really give ourselves a pat on the back. We're all doing great even those just starting out on this road such as Chairmum, lis & itsnot. Being able to do even the most basic of things for ours dc's when we're so traumatised really deserves recognition.

I've decided to do a bit of an all nighter to get this show with Freud on the road .

maybees · 07/03/2010 23:58

Well said Smartie and well done Startin' .It really is what keeps me goin' just now .Kids have coped so well and they are much loved.Have a good week everyone Nite x

startingovernow · 07/03/2010 23:58

Hi Maybees, I'd great intentions last year of doing the homemade veg thing with dc's. Maybe eventually I'll find the time......

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