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How to make DH accept his words are hurting me

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ringingthechanges · 05/10/2009 10:40

without him chucking them back in my face and saying I am the problem and I'm nuts?

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mathanxiety · 08/10/2009 19:13

"My biggest downfall is that I am THE most sensitive person ever."
-- RTC, you have backed down and sold yourself short.

"If I took your plan of action starwhoreswonaprize I would not deserve to be respected, it would be imature. I am trying to keep the peace and improve my life not show a red rag to a bull."
-- What I see in you is an abused woman who has lost her sense of herself and her innate right to be respected, above all and before all, by the man who promised nothing less.

Renewing the vows is not behaviour, it is a gesture. Please don't confuse gestures with behaviour -- even the wife-beatingest thug is capable of the odd nice gesture, but behaviour involves habits of mind and heart, and commitment to respect, and daily practice.

Podrick · 08/10/2009 19:17

Well at 16:50:33 you say "I make very little waves" and then at 17:08:27 you say "I am not passive and I make a lot of noise, making waves, a lot of the time"

You have no pension then you have a huge pension you forgot about. You have a very generous allowance but not enough to buy 6 wineglasses from John Lewis instead of mascara one month. Presumably it is you who prioritises spending (allegedly generous amounts of) money on yourself and on the kids above spending it on the house, and who also feels a sense of entitlement to more money for the house. I am getting the impression that if your dh isn't so easy to live with he may not be the only one?

I find this thread to be a mass of contradictions - I am with dittany - time to discover the "hide thread" facility!

Good luck OP - I have no clue anymore what your issues are but it all does seem somewhat circular in nature. Maybe it would help to find a hobby that you can feel passionate about to distract you from all these thoughts.

ringingthechanges · 08/10/2009 19:18

Hmm, yes I see what you mean Mathanxiety

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themerrywidow · 08/10/2009 19:28

This is my first time on mumsnet, so forgive me if I don't get the abbreviations right! I started off by looking for a hamshank recipe and then got sidetracked by this discussion, which I find fascinating.
As a complete outsider and novice to this, maybe fresh eyes can help.
One thing is certain- one human being cannot change the behaviour of another, all we can change are our own responses. It sounds like the two of you have many well rehearsed scripts which you use to communicate your respective anger and disappointment to each other with, but nothing is ever resolved because they are merely scripts and both of you know where each discussion will end up. I take it that you don't want to split up, you want him back how he used to be. That can be done. Far more powerful than shouting or trying to stand up for yourself in the ways you describe is to take control of the script- change your responses to dh's provocations. This will confuse him and cause him to change his script too. I know you will think you have tried this but in reality you won't have because it's difficult to do, the old script will assert itself without you realising.
Try this exercise:
Make an appointment to speak to him about how you feel. Control it in your terms- no need to be rude or angry, just say politely and at a time when he is relaxed/receptive that you have something to say to him, but not right now.
Don't be drawn into a discussion there and then, fix a time and stick to it. I guarantee he will be so curious he will go along with it- he will also be worried about what you want to say- it could be your health, dcs health, an affair, your decision to leave him- all this will be in his head so you have control because only you know what the real issue is. Believe me, he'll be so releived when it's none of the above he'll be only too receptive! There must be no alcohol involved either before or during the discussion- this is very important. Also, do not give in to demands/anger/threats at the time of appointment making. Stay calm and in control, make him keep the appointment which must be at the earliest the next day.
Write down the things you want to say. This is very important as the brain has a way of shutting down so we don't say what we intend to- rehearse saying the words but also keep the paper with you as you speak- it will focus both of you.
Keep it simple, 3 points only. For each one, use this script:
When you..... it makes me feel..... In future I would like you to .....
Try to make the language positive, this is why you need to write it all down and practise- words are powerful and it is possible to auto- suggest responses.
so, "When you refuse to pay for appropriate tablewear, it makes me feel embarrassed for you in front of our guests. In future I would like you to think about how uncomfortable that makes both me and our guests feel when you put us in that position.
Give him time to respond. Concentrate on how the behaviour makes you feel- get him to understand that, don't be sidetracked and don't talk about the detail of the behaviour- he knows what that is. Don't blame or criticise. People only change their behaviour after they have owned it- this is powerful. He needs to say 'I am being unreasonable and this is what I'm going to do about it'. You only need to lead him to that thought.
Stay calm and focused. Do not be tempted to revisit old territory or play the tit for tat game.
I'm sorry this is so long, but I do have professional experience and I know this technique works.

ringingthechanges · 08/10/2009 19:44

themerrywidow - thank you and what a great first post. I like the idea of scheduling a time to talk, I will definately do that. It will give him time to think of things he wants to say to me too, hopefully positive things. But you know what, he REALLY does not have embarrassment of not having the correct china, glassware or anything. If I was to suggest I am embarrassed or our guests are he wouldn't give a jot. But I take your point and I can keep the conversation to the way he speaks to me rather than the material things which in all honestly are really only secondary to treating people with respect. Thanks. Its easy to get side tracked when we are talking and he is being manipulative and I forget what I want to say, I will write it down.

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ringingthechanges · 08/10/2009 19:46

I hope you found the ham shank recipe BTW This is a very addictive website.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 08/10/2009 19:59

I've got to be honest. I'm also very puzzled at the contradictions. I'm thinking of going the same way as Dittany and Podrick on this one, but I'll reserve judgement, so I may be back at some point.

mathanxiety · 08/10/2009 20:06

I think the contradictions are there because it is hard to see the forest for the trees when you're in the thick of it. Nobody wants to admit to themselves that their life is one of humiliation (hence the lack of RL support for the OP, and the focus on curtains, wine glasses, etc., instead of the core of the matter, the 800 lb gorilla), and because deep down rtc knows a grown up woman shouldn't be in this position, dependent on a man who doesn't seem to even like her very much. People have their pride - sometimes that's all they have, but sometimes it gets in the way of making the right changes.

themerrywidow · 08/10/2009 20:07

No, I didn't bother with the ham shank- cooking pasta! Just a tip about the technique- it doesn't matter that he isn't embarassed- clearly he isn't or he would have done something about it by now, and the fact that he isn't embarassed enables his behaviour and fuels your frustration. Notice the language- "I would like you think about how your behaviour in this makes me/others feel" This is the point- it's about your feelings, not his. He must answer the question "how do you think this makes me feel?" as he already knows the answer he has to admit it, this is the power of the technique- there is only one possible answer- he has to admit he is making you feel bad and therefore say why he thinks it's ok. He has owned the behaviour of making you feel small- now what is he going to do about it?
The other very effecive response when he calls you a name is to pause, especially if it's done in company, wait for everything to go quiet, fix him with eye contact and say as calmly and as clearly as you can, "Do you really think now is the time or place to be making that kind of remark?" Everyone, including him, can hear the answer ringing in their head- NO! he has 'said' it whatever he says- sometimes this one needs repetition, but it will certainly pull him up in his tracks.

ringingthechanges · 08/10/2009 20:15

mathanxiety, you seem to read the situation well. I am not contradicting or changing boundaries, yes it is all such a mess that we have one week good, 2 days bad, 3 days good etc etc. Sometimes I keep quiet, and somtimes I bite back and am assertive. I think that is where some posters have perhaps misinterpreted me if I have not explained myself very well and it seems like I keep changing things. Honestly it is not deliberate. Thanks merrywidow, will bear that in mind.

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ringingthechanges · 08/10/2009 20:38

mathanxiety, thank you for the out of the fog link, it looks very interesting, I will visit it in depth.

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