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im pregnant by the man i love and cant possibly have it....go gently on me please

238 replies

Littleblue · 01/12/2008 21:14

....i was told ovulation had stopped ,im nearly 40,ive already got 4 kids,and the youngest starts full time school next month,the eldest starts uni next year.I left a violent relationship last june,and ive finally got a new house and everyones settling down.My lover lives a long way away,with a big family of his own and we only see each other twice a month,hes a separated single parent too.

I love him to bits,im absolutely devastated,i so so cant have another child,my body/mind and finances are all buggered im in pieces..

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SuperSillyus · 08/12/2008 10:08

Your dp is obviously trying to be as supportive as possible and maybe that makes it unclear to you what he wants? If he was clear one way or the other would that help you?
I think it will do you good to spend time together this weekend.

Sounds like you are already grieving. I am an artist too, it is great that you have that expressive outlet to use as therapy.

Littleblue · 08/12/2008 10:14

He doesnt want another child,especially considering our respective living arrangements,which cannot be altered.A distance relationship is one thing,but a distance child would crucify him,hes a devoted dad,5 including 2 sets of twins,and his little grandson now lives with them all too.One of his kids is autistic,we cant have a baby with all that going on,its impossible.

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SuperSillyus · 08/12/2008 10:42

So that means the final decision is down to you in the end. Though I'm sure if you felt you wanted to have the baby your partner would allow his heart to take over and manage long distance for 2 or 3 years and then move together later? Your older children would help you.

Or maybe you just need to allow yourself to let this baby go? Make your sad and I'm sure beautifull piece of art and accept that life is painfull and hard at times.

(I'm trying to give you balanced feedback because only you know what you can cope with.)

NCRedBreastedBirdy · 08/12/2008 10:55

Littleblue, you are and will be allowed to grieve this. It is a baby you have lost whichever way you look at it. I think the paintings sound like a lovely idea and should, hoefully, be cathartic too.

NCRedBreastedBirdy · 08/12/2008 20:57

Littleblue, I just wanted to wish you luck for tomorrow. I hope you get through it ok, will be thinking of you.

NCbxx

Littleblue · 09/12/2008 00:16

Thank you..it means a great deal xx

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NCRedBreastedBirdy · 09/12/2008 01:15

x

slim22 · 09/12/2008 02:08

just saw this.

thinking of you.

x

Littleblue · 09/12/2008 07:34

its a consultation and scan today

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NCRedBreastedBirdy · 09/12/2008 09:50

Hope you are ok Littleblue and today isn't too hard on you.

fatjac · 09/12/2008 10:28

I hope you manage to get through today.

My thoughts are with you.

ActingNormal · 09/12/2008 10:33

God, this is the most difficult situation I've read about for ages. I can't see how anybody can judge you for WHATEVER decision you make, even a tiny bit!

Basically, the hard truth is that this is going to HURT whatever you do. I know you know this and typing on MN is an outlet for some of it. We just need to listen and give you an outlet.

People who have said have the baby and then have it adopted - this would hurt hurt hurt! She would never get over it! The child would be deeply affected by it too! It is SO not an easy option (I know you weren't saying it was really, but I want to stress how painful this would be - (sore point for me))

People who think "every child is a blessing" - this is way too simple. What if she has the baby but is too knackered and psychologically messed up to bring it up properly, so the child lives a troubled life and the mother lives with the guilt? What if all her other children suffer as she no longer has the mental and physical resources to be a good mother to them? Then she suffers from the guilt of that as well? Deciding to terminate would not be selfish in any way, it would be selfLESS, for the good of the unborn baby and her existing children. This decision will ALSO be agony for her and her DP but she would be protecting the feelings/welfare of all the children not just thinking about her own feelings.

Having to make this decision is so terrible because two instincts fight each other - the instinct to have your unborn baby and the instinct to protect your existing family from anything which might not be good for them and to do the best for them.

And even if she did just think of her own feelings it's hard to see how anyone could blame her when every decision would be so painful for her personally. This would be completely natural.

The best thing would be if there were ways that could be put into place which would make her feel she could definitely cope with this baby and all her other children and do a good job of it and keep her mental health. Could this be possible? Isn't it incredibly incredibly hard? People who have been through it - how possible/likely is this? What are the practical ways of coping?

It makes me feel faint to imagine having to cope with all she has to do AND a newborn, and the possibility of her losing her mind.

And if she terminates - the pain and loss and grief of that! The effect of that on her mental health could also impact on the rest of the family.

It's a case of finding the least painful option for the least number of people out of a bunch of options that are ALL going to be painful.

LB, I really feel for you and I do agree with the people who said see a counsellor/therapist to help you get through this, whatever you decide to do, because I just can't see how anyone could cope with this alone! You said talking would just make you cry but crying is good! You need to cry, a lot! How can you get over it if you don't express it? I know you have to stay strong for the rest of the family but repressing all of it will make it worse long term won't it?

hobbgoblin · 09/12/2008 10:37

LB - I am in this situation. Pretty similar reasons for not wanting to be pregnant and this resulted in me opting for termination last week, except that the overriding pressure for me was that dp did NOT want me to continue with the pregnancy. I felt that although the issue of having my life back now my youngest is at school, and having left dv myself a few years ago, plus major financial worries that are being resolved finally and what a pregnancy would do to all that new found security for me, I coud have coped...somehow.

However, I put all the negatives from pov together with dp's views and made a decision which was heavily weighted by his feelings.

The morning after I took the drugs to end my pregnancy I realsied I'd made the wrong choice and now I am desperately trying to reverse my decision.

All I want to say is be sure in the deepest possible way that if you choose to terminate, that it is your decision and not about others judgements on how successful you have been in life, or because others don't feel that a new baby is what they want. If YOU think you can cope with this baby, that you could just make it work then don't be dissuaded. Equally, if it breaks your heart to think of how hard life would be with a new baby then go with that.

Do you have very mixed feelings? Is there an overriding sense of ngativity or positivity towards this pregnancy?

Best of Luck. The only right decision is one you can live with.
x

NCRedBreastedBirdy · 09/12/2008 20:40

Are you ok Littleblue?

TheGreatChristmasEvie · 09/12/2008 20:42

How did it go today?Still thinking about you and your situation..

Littleblue · 09/12/2008 21:34

Im ok,as far as i can be.They were lovely at the clinic,it was a surreal experience,but i didnt feel humiliated.They talked to me respectfully and candidly..i couldnt fault the doctor or the nurse.
The doctor was surprised i had discovered i was pg so early,the scan showed a very early pg indeed which is better than i hoped,im hazy on dates on a daily basis,on monthly..im truly awful.In some ways i feel a bit better...i thought that i would see a scan like i had with my other pg"s..but not a bit of it.Even with both miscarriages,they showed me the picture even though the loss was inevitable.
Theres a huge shift between this awful life shattering calamity which i can halt,next week...and also accepting that i am growing the promise of a child,probably a girl..given the extreme hormones/nausea.
However,i feel steadfast that ending this pg,now,whilst so very early,is absolutely the right decision when you weigh up the 11 people who will be directly affected...not inc any baby.
I cant cope now...i shout,and drink too much,as im already bloody knackered with parenting.I adore my offspring,but now,i have time for me again,not alot....but bits..snatched when the others are doing their thing elsewhere.
Hobgoblin...im so very sorry you feel tortured by your decision...genuinely,im lucky in that my dp and i are hurting at this,but totally in agreement that its the right decision for us in our circumstances.If i decided i couldnt go through with it i cant speak for how he would react..hes a loving and empathic man,and making me pregnant has hurt him deeply and he is furious with himself.I made me pregnant too,IT happened..and we are facing it together...i so need to lie in his arms this weekend,i always pine for him,but this times been torture.
Hobgoblin...I have chosen to terminate because i cantcantcant do it again.Ive been mothering in a very hands on manner for 18 years so far,my kids ages range widely,and meeting their needs is nigh impossible..i CANNOT manage a baby as well,i KNOW IT.Im not supermum,i have a son with SN,who makes me feel like throwing in the towel with him on a daily basis,i do not have broad enough shoulders for the deck my life has dealt me.Saying that..ive now gingerly established a new home,inc with my teens who i nearly lost to their dad over a hundred miles away.I asked to be sterilised so as to avoid this again.
ACtingnormal...thank you for your post,youve obviously thought deeply about what the repercussions could/will be for me with this.
I might have spelt out alot of this already..i cant go to term and then give a baby away...It just wouldnt happen.Im carrying with me atm..a little thing,that would grow into a child,its the size of a baked bean apparently..not a baby yet,but yes,it will be one veryvery soon.The whole "gift from god" pro-life argument is irrelevant to me. To birth a child is a huge responsibility and commitment,and if,like me,you are unlucky enough for a pg to happen to when you are NOT equipped to go through with it,you have to make a decision,like you so rightly say,that will prove the least painful option for all of the people involved.If circumstances were different,i would have loved to have shared having a child with him.If wishes were horses..etc

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Littleblue · 09/12/2008 21:37

redbreastedbirdy...you are a sweetie..x

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lil · 09/12/2008 21:50

littleblue, you have done the right thing for all your children. Focus on the lovely children you have. I think plenty of people wonder about the 'next' child they never had and what they would have been like. When you get rid of a foetus this small its not so different.

Well done you for being so brave, women have to make all the really tough decisions huh?

NCRedBreastedBirdy · 09/12/2008 22:03

Littleblue, I am glad you were treated well today (not that I thought you would get anything less). I am also glad to hear you feelings are still set. You obviously feel very strongly that this is the right course of action for you and I am glad your strength of character is carrying you through. It would be a much harder thing to go through if you were wavering from one side to the other.

I am glad you have such a supportive dp and that you will get to spend time with him this weekend before going for your next appointment. I do feel he has to be a part of the during stage as well as the before and after if you are going to get through this as a couple.

Finally, I truely believe I have never spoken to anyone, making the decision you are, who is more worthy of respect than you. I have always heard clearly selfish undertones to the reasoning and that is just not something I am getting from you.

NCB x

Littleblue · 10/12/2008 10:09

Thats a really nice thing to say,thank you x

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NCRedBreastedBirdy · 11/12/2008 15:25

Hi Littleblue, I hope you are doing as well as you can. I am sure you have better things to do than post here but I thought I would let you know you are still in my thoughts. x

Littleblue · 11/12/2008 23:04

thank you,your very sweet.Im seeing dp tomos for the frst time since we found out,he is taking me abroad for th weekend to spoil me

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Pinkchampagne · 11/12/2008 23:09

Just read this thread & I feel for you so much, LB. What a very hard situation to be in. I think you are very brave.
Thinking of you.x

NCRedBreastedBirdy · 12/12/2008 13:46

I hope you enjoy your weekend LB.x

Littleblue · 15/12/2008 07:44

There were some tears,we held each other alot,but also had a fantastic time and did lots of sightseeing etc,was very romantic.The weekend was my buffer between the decision and the fact of termination if that makes sense?
This week is going to be very tough

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