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I'm embarrassed to ask this and i've changed my name but i need some non judgey advice please.

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ChangeOfIdentity · 16/11/2008 21:09

Dp (soon to be dh) has a problem with anger. He is normally the nicest guy in the world but every few months he just snaps for no reason. Most recently was 2 days ago and unfortunately it was infront of his friends and collegues - hes a bar man. He knows he needs help, he admits he has a problem but we don't know how to get help for him. Where do we start? I don't want to live my life waiting for the next explosion and i know that he is a good man who can beat this. Any advice please?

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treedelivery · 16/11/2008 23:57

The reason this has crept up on you and you can't believe it - is that he is very good at what he's doing.

He may know he is and have a campaign all planned out - or he may be unable to see that and it may have come naturally to him - but he has been very succesfull at putting the responsibiliy on you, putting blinkers on you, and essentially grooming you.

This is not what you had in mind for your wedding day. There are no perfect couples. Where will you be when the mortgage bites/kids cause bother/you get fatter. Life happens. This man cannot help you go through life.

ChangeOfIdentity · 17/11/2008 00:02

Luckily the kids have never seen us argue. We don't argue really, like i said hes fine 99% of the time. I realise that if things continue that there will be a time when the might hear something but i am determined that i wont let that happen. I love my kids above all else which is why i'm facing up to things now. Noise, mess etc doesn't bother him, its never because his dinners not cooked etc. There is no reason for it, i know i sound like a broken record but i'm in a state of disbelief i think.

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LittleBella · 17/11/2008 00:02

CoI of course it doesn't happen every week.

Yet.

It's such a slow, drawn out process. It has to be, otherwise no-one would ever stay with a violent man. If they started regularly knocking women about as soon as they met them, the police would be called, charges would be pressed, prison sentences would be handed out, and all would be well with the world.

It takes a long time to groom a woman to accept being treated as a punchbag. It's a very slow, gradual priming process and it happens so imperceptibly that the participants don't even notice it until they're living that DV nightmare and they wonder how they got there. You're only a little way along that process, you still aren't so entangled with him that you can see no way out. But if you stayed with him (and I'm confident you won't!) you would be too deep in to get out easily.

You know what you have to do, for your own sake and that of your children. I have to go to bed now, but good luck with everything, I wish you well.

treedelivery · 17/11/2008 00:02

And always say to yourself - if this was happening to my daughter, what would I want to happen.

If it's not good enough for your children, don't role model it for them. It's not good enough for you.

controlfreakyBANG · 17/11/2008 00:03

what was the last violence about then? what "started" it?

dittany · 17/11/2008 00:07

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llareggub · 17/11/2008 00:07

I'm off to bed too. Goodnight, I hope you have got some food for thought.

controlfreakyBANG · 17/11/2008 00:08

me too. night. good luck.

treedelivery · 17/11/2008 00:09

Stay in touch if you want too. There is alot of wisdom here. The plain numbers mean there is someone reading this in a similar situation to you. Maybe it will help her too. Any one/all of the people who reply may have looked down the barel of this gun.

I had a boyfried who tried to push me down the stairs once, completely out of the blue and unexpected. Totally different scenario to yours - early days and younger man, got him shifted out very quickly. Bet he's more refined in his habits now and better able to do all the groundwork littlebella describes.

One in four women. Two women a week are killed by a partner or ex. I don't mean to frighten or drive us all to hysterics - but facts are facts. And the things that have been happening to you are facts. If's and but's and apologies and good intentions come too late for those women.

ChangeOfIdentity · 17/11/2008 00:10

Other than friday night, the time before that was in june, we'd been playing a computer game and he was losing so i was teasing him. I don't remember all the details really but he got angry and i told him to leave me alone and he lost it. He beat me up. And i hate admitting it. I threatened to call the police but when it came to it i couldn't do it. I made him phone his mum and tell her exactly what he'd done i wanted him to have to admit it to someone. That was the worst time, before that it wasn't to bad.

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ChangeOfIdentity · 17/11/2008 00:11

Other than friday night, the time before that was in june, we'd been playing a computer game and he was losing so i was teasing him. I don't remember all the details really but he got angry and i told him to leave me alone and he lost it. He beat me up. And i hate admitting it. I threatened to call the police but when it came to it i couldn't do it. I made him phone his mum and tell her exactly what he'd done i wanted him to have to admit it to someone. That was the worst time, before that it wasn't to bad.

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dittany · 17/11/2008 00:12

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ChangeOfIdentity · 17/11/2008 00:13

Come to think of it, it has always happened after i've told him to leave me alone. Every single time.

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treedelivery · 17/11/2008 00:15

0800 2000 247 - helpline.

And it was so bad, the time before that. Every last minuite you have ever been afraid is the worst thing he could have done. You should never never be in fear of your body.

If you stood naked and said you slept with his father and spent all his money - he cannot hit you or make you frightened.

ChangeOfIdentity · 17/11/2008 00:17

Sorry i meant to say goodnight to those that are off to bed. I ought to be asleep myself or i wont be awake for work and considering its only my 2nd week it wont go down well if i'm late. I don't think its brave to write on a message board, the brave thing to do would be to follow it through in rl and i'm not sure i'm there yet. I want to be but i'm struggling to believe my sweet loving man is the same man that can look at me the way he does when he loses it.

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dittany · 17/11/2008 00:23

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fruitbowl · 17/11/2008 00:30

So sorry you are in this situation. It has taken great courage to come on here and talk about it. Perhaps a first step in finding the courage to do something in RL even if it seems daunting. You're moving in the right direction. Look after yourself and seek as much support as you need.

ChangeOfIdentity · 17/11/2008 00:31

Thanks for talking to me tonight, sometimes its hard to see things until they are written down in black and white in front of you, but even now it will take some time to sink in i think. I am off to bed now, and i probably wont be back on line until tomorrow night, you can probably tell from all the double posts my internet connection is dodgy at best! Thanks again all.

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treedelivery · 17/11/2008 00:32

Indeed. It will come. One step at a time and at your own pace.

You are in charge of this. You can stay/go/ You can go tonight/in a year/in a month/never.

You have choices - and because you are bright and have self esteem and self worth you have made it easier for yourself in the long run by starting this thread. HUGE leap.

But read over your words and see how some of those fabulous qualities have had little chunks taken out of them.

Lots of worrying about him and his health etc. Not much about your happiness/skills/dreams.

Word from the wise - be careful about your computer. Be sure it cannot be accessed by ANYONE. This is private and should be seen by noone around you - and it could also be a trigger.

fruitbowl · 17/11/2008 00:33

There will always be support for you here I'm sure. I hope you get some rest. Nite. x

treedelivery · 17/11/2008 00:38

Get some rest and have a good day at work. Think about it but also think about how good you are at your job, how much fun it will be getting to know the people there, enjoy a good luch and take pleasure in YOUR life.

You are not this man - there is more to your life than this worry. Read over this thread again when you feel you can and don't think 'Oh what was I on with' when the day comes and everything seems better like it does in daylight.

Read over the indignation and fury and sorrow and strength that all the posters here have put across. Use it to remind you when you want to put your head back in the sand.

Sleep tight. x

Debra1981 · 17/11/2008 02:06

I was like you, engaged, head in the sand, in denial, thinking, its ok, he's a lovely man, its not so often, too embarassed to tell friends about it, I can help him get better, he's not drinking that much, so got married, of course it just got worse, my life was a living hell, sometimes I wished he would just finish me off, or wanted to kill myself, finding booze hidden in clothes drawers, under furniture, coat pockets, realised I'd never know how much he was really drinking, although he had abusive/violent outbursts when sober too, I tread so careful, hardly dare breathe, he controlled my every move but nothing was good enough in the end. I was scared to look at people in the street, to talk to people at work (I lost my job), to talk to friends (was lucky they were still there when I left him), was a prisoner at home with him (when the drink took over he stopped working too). He demanded my constant attention, often at the expense of housework (so we lived in a pit), and eventually our dd (which was my awakening). I was living on adrenalin ie constant fear. It was surreal and I could never have imagined that I would end up in such a dire 'existence'. It was controlled cos he was charming around others mostly. PLEASE don't do what I did. Act on the warning signs, don't ignore them. And plan your/his exit as you can count on this 'triggering' another outburst from him. Have friend or family with you at the time if you can. I'm so sorry. Look after you and the kids.

ChangeOfIdentity · 17/11/2008 08:13

Deb, your story is so scary. I don't understand how i've not looked at it from afar and seen what others would see. Maybe its because i see each little thing as an individual incident which on its own doesn't seem to bad, its only when you step back and look at things as a whole you start to see a pattern. He didn't drink at all last night and is making a doctors appointment this morning. I'm off to work now (reluctantly as its freezing!) Thanks again.

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Umlellala · 17/11/2008 08:25

CoI,

You are possibly right that there is a reason for the random lashing out, and I really really understand wanting to help him. He does need to go to counselling.therapy IMO (helped me a LOT with unexplainable rages). However, to help HIM, he may need to be not with you.

I hate alcohol. Think Muslims and Methodists have a point.

Good luck to both of you x

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/11/2008 09:30

COI,

When you're in the thick of it you can't often see the wood for the trees. It often takes people who are completely removed from the situation to point out problems.

You cannot act as someone's rescuer or saviour in a relationship - either approach is doomed to failure. I think what you've done is enable him to date.

He has to want to tackle the issues (and they are deeply rooted) for his anger and alcohol but only he can do that. You cannot do it for him.

He has hit you already so you are one of those one in four women who experience violence within a relationship. A sobering thought.

You cannot save him but you can save your own self and any children who are picking up on all these bad vibes no matter how much you try and hide it. It affects children markedly, what are they learning from you both about relationships?.