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Why do women bleat about their men?

184 replies

ManLikeFire · 14/10/2008 12:30

Reading through these discussion pages is a rather saddening experience. Page after page of whines, complaints and gripes, all from women attributing their current non-problems to the characteristics or habits of their other half, without a great deal of self-reflection as to why their particular Oprah-esque drama might actually be a consequence of their own choices.

If your other half is lazy, surely you knew that when you picked him? Back in the jurassic era before you produced your offspring, his laidback attitude was probably something that attracted you too him.

If he is terrible with money, it doesn't take a forensic accountant to work that out after a few dates does it? Did you pick him for his miserly tendencies or because he was fun and didn't care too much about material things?

If he has an eye for other women, you can't help but have noticed that early on. It was probably something you liked then, feeling that you'd beat the competition.

You can not have your cake and eat it (although I suspect a number of you do!): you must accept responsibility for the decisions made a long time ago. Of course, if he turns out to be gay, or becomes immensely fat, then I think you have a legitimate complaint, as that was not what it said on the tin when you took your pick.

The bottom line is that when you whinge about him now, you are really criticising yourself for making that choice long ago on the basis of wishful thinking, that you'd change him or that he change when life moved on: "Oh, I'm sure he'll change when we're together or when we have kids." Men do not bank on change - they get together with a woman because they like them at the time (or they can't do any better). They don't then spend a lifetime trying to change them (unless they let themselves go).

Perhaps women should try the same.

OP posts:
OrmIrian · 14/10/2008 16:53

Hmmm 'bleat' does tend to grate a little

ShauntheSheep · 14/10/2008 16:54

Baa, Baaa, Baaaaaaaaa'ma, Baaaa'ma

ManLikeFire · 14/10/2008 16:58

The self-congratulation and condescension evident in some of the posts is startling - it's as if having posted on these (admittedly admirable) Mumsnet pages previously accords you some special wisdom denied to the fresh-faced new arrivals.

We should keep shtoom and serve our time before being allowed to sally forth with any kind of self-expression or - the horror! - opinion. We should learn the rules of etiquette, the ancient acronyms, and basically behave ourselves until our apprenticeship is over. Only then may we be admitted to the esteemed ranks of the establishment

Sounds like an old boy's club to me...

OP posts:
AMumInScotland · 14/10/2008 17:01

Post any way you fucking like - but we'll respond however we like too. Which may include but not be limited to self-congratulation, condescension, and assuming you are a hairy-handed trucker from Worksop until proved otherwise.

Thomcat · 14/10/2008 17:05

Just want to say, fwiw, that I have never 'bleated' about my man on here. It irritates me sometimes that he doesn't do his fair share and I have felt cross with him when he's been in bed till about 3pm on a Sunday having gone out on Saturday night and got in at 8am. When I discuss him on mumsnet it's normally to big him up.

However, if I wanted a moan, this is where I'd come to do it and if you don't like it, don't read the posts!

Men don't moan about their women becasue most of the time we're pretty bloody amazing and they know how lucky they are!

dittany · 14/10/2008 17:08

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MrsMattie · 14/10/2008 17:11

ManLikeFire - go on, admit it! You're Tony Parsons, aren't you?

littlelapin · 14/10/2008 17:13

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BitOfFun · 14/10/2008 17:15

Mrs Mattie - you are a genius! D'oh, why didn't I think of that?!

SixSpotBonfire · 14/10/2008 17:17

MrsMattie - I think you could be on to something there !

Kally · 14/10/2008 17:20

Who is Tony Parsons? The guy who wrote the article In the News? (Can't be bothered to go check again)...

littlelapin · 14/10/2008 17:23

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SixSpotBonfire · 14/10/2008 17:24

Too defensive, not self-pitying enough. Deffo TP, I reckon.

MorrisZapp · 14/10/2008 17:26

My fave forum get-out, 'I'm getting flamed for having an opinion' - yeah, yeah.

I've never in all my years seen anybody online deny anybody their right to hold or express an opinion. I've seen mountains of debate about the content of those expressed opinions though.

This is Big Brother forum level now.

I'm a newbie myself and I think you're talking guff OP.

Pan · 14/10/2008 17:43

Tomcat - nice post. AND..can you imagine if Dadspost/net/club/room thingy was stuffed with "my dw/latest shag is rubbish" the response from this predom. female chamber would be short and nasty....

and yes. As a bloke one learns when to shut up and appreciate fully the marvels of womanhood and receive those gifts both gratefully and with grace.[is that enough slurping emocion?]

Janos · 14/10/2008 17:58

Hmmm.

"The self-congratulation and condescension evident in some of the posts is startling "

Translation = "I'm a self important tosser who's furious that people have the temerity to disagree with my marvellous and superbly clever opnion"

Pot. Kettle, Black OP. If anyone's bleating, it's you.

What's wrong with people posting for a bit of support anyway? I thought that's what Mumsnet was about.

Janos · 14/10/2008 18:00

Also, folk who are quite happy with their partners don't need to come on and "bleat", I'd have thought that was self-evident?

motherinferior · 14/10/2008 18:02

(MorrisZapp, I love your name. I very rarely feel the urge to change mine, but the temptation to be HilarySwallow is quite alluring.)

Kally · 14/10/2008 18:39

Is there a Dadsnet/relationship thingy?...

Rhubarb · 15/10/2008 14:22

Don't you find it just rude when you post a thought out reply without using acronyms and it just gets ignored?

ManLikeFire, we have all replied to your posts and you have a variety of opinions expressed here. None of us have been as rude as you have and we have even gone to huge efforts to point out that men are very welcome to post on these boards and are considered fellow Mumsnetters.

You sound as though you are deliberately ignoring the well thought out posts and are just trying to push the red button as it were. Having a laugh at all the women getting in a tizzy. Poor you. Bet you don't have a girlfriend do you?

SylvieSprings · 15/10/2008 15:54

Did anyone else wonder if ManLikeFire is Lotuseener's DH?

ConstanceWearing · 15/10/2008 16:03

In some respects I agree with this post, and that's half of why I'm so angry. I chose them, I know I chose them, and despite knowing what they were like, I stayed with them...

Til I could tolerate them no more.

Then I divorced them. We all live and learn.

TeeBee · 15/10/2008 21:00

Its because they turn into complete c*nts, that's why.

Elasticwoman · 15/10/2008 21:18

Constance, the OP is not criticising women who move on when they find their Mr Right isn't, but women who complain about faults in their men which they might reasonably have been expected to notice before they chose him, and are asking the rest of us what to do about it. Like we could wave a magic wand.

I have been married so long I can't remember what he was like beforehand, although there are a few photos existing which rather suggest I have since fattened him up.

ElenorRigby · 15/10/2008 21:44

Fancy folks here picking up on one term in a post to not only rubbish the whole post but the poster too...really Ive so never seen that on herd before

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