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it happens so often on here, but I opened his mobile bill by accident and guess what?

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AreYouCallingMeDarling · 07/10/2008 03:24

yep

up to 30 texts a day to number that I find out is another woman

Just friendship says he

hahahahaha

I am a regular btw. Just don't want my mum reading this and knowing it is me. Or anyone else I know

I feel so feckin stupid

It is the middle of the night and I probably won't get any answers. But that is fine

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ladytophamhatt · 05/11/2008 22:51

why did she text tonight?

CountessDracula · 05/11/2008 22:52

well I guess at least you know they aren't in cahoots with him getting her to verify what he has told her

Not much comfort I am sure

CountessDracula · 05/11/2008 22:52

i mean
what he has told you
sorry

morningpaper · 05/11/2008 22:58

Hmm? So, the other night, you tried to ring her from your DH's phone when he was there, and she texted back thinking it was him, and then he passed you the phone, and then you texted her?

And then you agreed she would ring you tonight? But your DH is not there tonight?

I assume that she said it started earlier than he said it started?

controlfreakyBANG · 05/11/2008 23:05

i'm confused.

WHY did you contact her?

AreYouCallingMeDarling · 05/11/2008 23:08

yep - earlier my a couple of milestones for them to have been shagging

I called her when he was in the bath

from his phone. She texted back the next morning to say that she had missed his calls

I texted back from his phone to say, nope, you missed me

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controlfreakyBANG · 05/11/2008 23:10

BUT WHY DID YOU CONTACT HER NOW?

what did you want to ask her / tell her?

AreYouCallingMeDarling · 05/11/2008 23:12

I need to know everything

I need to know how she feels about him and what he said to her, what expectations she had for their relationsip

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Dior · 05/11/2008 23:13

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controlfreakyBANG · 05/11/2008 23:16

dior is right. what motivation does she have to be full and frank and honest with you?? when she tells you something different from dh who will you believe? don't you think this is just stirring her up to re contact your dh? and / or push him to re contact her about her "story"? sorry but i dont get it.... could understand it more if you and dh had split up over this, but not if you have both decided to make a go of it if possible...

Cashncarry · 05/11/2008 23:25

I think I know where you're coming from - your DH hasn't been altogether forthright with the truth himself and as everyone says, the OW hasn't got a vested interest in being honest and outright with you herself...

Are you trying to get the "full picture" so that you can get some sort of "closure"? (bleugh - hate that word!). I can understand this - there's only so many times you can badger your DH for detail and perhaps you feel that if you keep some sort of dialogue with OW, you'll be able to cobble some version of the truth together that will allow you to move on from it all.

I'd say it's still early days though and not to expect too much from dialogue with either of them tbh. Your DH is bound to withold detail from you, partly not to hurt you and partly to protect you. OW is bound to make it sound more than your DH would - partly because it may be true that he misled her and partly because she's angry and hurt that he's decided to make a go of things with you.

Apologies if I'm way off the mark - particularly because I've never contributed to your thread before so it might feel a bit of an intrusion. It's just that so much of what you're doing feels familiar to me in terms of how I try to deal with things myself IYSWIM. Be kind to yourself OP - do what you need to do but don't rely on it...

ALMummy · 05/11/2008 23:26

She might tell you the complete truth. It depends what she is hoping to gain. If she has feelings for him and thinks you might chuck him out if you know everything, she will tell you. Think it would be best just left but I dont think I would be able to so I totally sympathise.

Cashncarry · 05/11/2008 23:27

sorry - that should say "partly to protect himself " as in why he would withhold details of the rship...

fernfrost · 05/11/2008 23:36

Do not even consider the "other" as a challenge. Wipe that thought out. It will hold you back - do not let your Psyche use it as an excuse. It is not about weakness.

You talk about respect. Respect yourself and your children as well as him. You do not love him now as you once did. Make sure that you grieve that fact and that you have both reached, and accepted a more realistic attitude to love. He is not the same person that you once loved. He has betrayed your trust - and your intimacy level will never be the same. Do not use Lust and memories as your weapons against "her". She is not really important in your life - in a strange sort of way. The girl that you are that first learned to ride a bike and so on ... had her first period ...

It is probably hard to find a sexually loyal mate these days even if you are living in the same house. I am not sure that the title "marriage" means much to most men really given any seductive opportunities - mental or real - where they may not to be discovered.

Distance is hard for men, and women, that is true. You must have both known that at some level too.

Your quality of family life should be considered also. How interested is he in the children? How much is he there for them? Could another man give you the love and support that you want? How old are you? Are you still attractive? Go to the gym if you are worried about your weight and have any relatives to look after the children. It is a heel when we have to look after children and cannot excercise after childbirth.

If you do not feel good about the answers to these questions ... ?

He has changed in your eyes. DO NOT CHANGE also in your OWN eyes. That is something that you will not recover from!! Do not go down to his level certainly - as I can see that you have not. There has been no talk of revenge or one-night stands. That makes you a very special person. Do not forget that.

Also - do not expect that over time he will continue to accept your belittling of him for all of this! Though wholly deserved. Over time you might become the irritable "shrew" and there will come the day when he will turn around and say that he has paid his price!! And the children will not understand. He will then take no more - he may even be already humouring you. I do not like the fact that he was not fully honest at the beginning. You know that you would have been. And then he did it again because he thought you were both over!!!!!!

You certainly must go to Relate so that you can see what his eyes look like when he is questioned by another Party. There you see the truth. It is in the EYES - what you see now - and also what you see with the third party beholder. Watch his expressions. There you see whether there is real grief or not. And whether you will be a wreck years down the line from this. Or a happy family doing Christmas.

I hope you make it work. But I hope also that you preserve yourself. They will go together only if they are both really true.

HappyWoman · 06/11/2008 09:36

Please dont keep in contact with the ow - it will only hurt you in the end.

I did have a few words with ow - but she told me lies to make herself feel better.

The only way to get her out of your life is for you and your h to BOTH put it behind you and having nothing to do with her ever again.

I do understand the wanting to get all the facts straight too and it i dont think you will ever really understand it. (as i dont my h affair).
But you have to either believe him now or go digging for discrepencies(sp).
You have to tell him that you do believe him and that is it BUT if you ever find out he has lied then that is really the end - give him a chance to tell you in an open and honest way everything you want to know - then give yourself time to take this in think what you want and either end it or move on.
If he lies again to you - he will only have himself to blame and you will know his heart was not in it.

If the other woman ever contacts again - say to her and yourself she is worthless and is no longer in your life - you do have the power to do that.
She may try and contact you and may even say somethings to you but hopefully your h will have already told you anyway so you will be able to laugh at her.

Also dont feel you have to put this in a box and close the lid - this is a big thing that happened and althouhg terrible - there can be some good to come from it.

Is you h wanting you to 'carry on as normal'? If so this is wrong - he needs to see that you need time to adjust to the new relationship you will now have whether you like it or not. Dont punish yourself for still hurting about it.

Your h will feel guilt - but that is not your problem at the moment. You need to be at ease with what happened yourself first.

I agree you cannot forever punish him but it is early days and he needs to accept this too.

Good luck and if you need to chat more please feel free to contact me.

WhirlingStirling · 06/11/2008 09:48

I definitely understand the need to contact the ow but I can see now it really doesn't help.

I resist the urge now but I used to contact her everytime I was feeling really angry with her and him but everytime she would contact my h again and it became something for them to talk about and draw them together, so I realised I wasn't helping matters.

For me, it is a year today since finding out about the affair and I know that today will be hard. Remembering what happened. But I shall resist the urge to call her a whore one more time

HappyWoman · 06/11/2008 09:59

well done wirling - stay stong - she will know what he has done - if not today then one day in the future.

If you do contact her then she knows you are upset - far better to rise above it all KNOW that she cant work out why.

I sometimes wish my ow had turned into the bunny boiler - at least then i would have known it hurt her.
But i do think she still lives with a bit of fear as i have the emails safely tucked away somewhere and if i ever want to i may just make them public (well the ones that make her look bad anyway). They worked together and the bosses didnt think anyone would be that bothered by them - but i think women know different and i still think there would be a bit of a rush to read them - especially as some of them have remarks about some of their collegues too.

However having said that the urge is almost completly gone and i feel as if it is a chapter of my life i do not need to re-read again and again.

WhirlingStirling · 06/11/2008 10:07

Thanks HW - I tend to blank her out now. Like you it is becoming a chapter I have dealt with and I want to move on. I dont want to be angry and bitter forever.

My future is still not certain but, funnily enough, I know that I am a better person for going through all of this. Stronger, IYKWIM??

Take Care - All of you

HappyWoman · 06/11/2008 10:09

I know exactly what you mean about being stronger - and really is anyones future certain?? We like to think it is but who knows what is around the corner - just enjoy today and make it a special day that no-one can take away from you.

muckypups · 06/11/2008 10:14

I an understand why you want to get in touch with her, and why you feel the need to know everything thats happened and been said between them. Its only natural. Im about 8 months down the line and dreading christmas as thats when my DH started being distant towards me. I still dont have closure, i cant get the sily bitch out of my head. I may have my Dh back but it still hurts.

I also contacted the OW and ended up liking her. and i could see why dh fell for her. I am now of course not so agreeable and would happily stab her in the eye with anything that comes to hand.

Take Day by day or hour by hour is the only advise i can give. Its tough and i really feel for you.

Love your text back to her by the way, bet she wondered what on earth was happenening. I also text the ow of my Dh phone pretending to be him.
Try to resist any more contact with her now though, The biggest revenge is getting on with your life, looking as if your happy and ignoring her completeley. Hard i know, but do able.

AreYouCallingMeDarling · 06/11/2008 10:47

I don't want to speak to her again. I did need to speak to her this once though. It was an outstanding action on my to do list. Now that I have, I feel I can move on, and I really feel that it is in the past.

I didn't feel the need to shout at her, or to rant. I don't even really hate her, though I am not sure how I would react if I met her face to face. I just wanted to know what the hell she thought she was doing with DH I think.

I was actually quite nice.

I gave some nice gently advice about having more respect for yourself and other people, and she would be better finding someone of her own. That she probably deserves more in her life than being the OW. I think it was me being all nice that made her cry

I also made it quite clear that she has to have absolutely nothing to do with DH. If she runs into him she has no business talking to him. She agreed.

But as I say it is done now, and I don't feel the need to talk to her again.

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muckypups · 06/11/2008 10:51

Good, glad you seem to have got it out of your system. You prob will still have bad days though so be prepared. The niceness does get them doesnt it, i always expected i would end up a screaming fish wife and a huge cat fight would evolve, but in the end i was incrediabally calm and also very proud of myself Are you and your Dh making a go of it then? Good luck to you both if you are, i think it takes alot of strength to do it. As i said we are but its still hard sometimes, but its the past and thats where its staying. Take Care xx

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